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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
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    Additionally, it is indicated that our trip to Elpis has already happened before we personally travel there to experience it. Hydaelyn is already aware of the time loop and its looming resolution, and Argos already trusts us.
    Bolded needs in game corroboration and proof. She only asks about time travel because she uses the logic of "1, you have a spell on you only I can cast, 2 I've never met you, thus you must come from my future." Until we tell her information, she has no prior knowledge of us individually.

    As for the rest:
    IMO, this time travel logic doesn't hold up and becomes a large grandfather paradox, which doesn't work with the few established time travel consequences we've seen so far.

    So far the Time Travel Logic has been thus:

    A. Graha proves that you CAN change the past, and significantly so. It proves that actions in the past, change the future. This is fact.

    B. The side story and Elidibus' warning prove that IF you change that past at crucial junctions and/or significant ways, then the future you return to will not be the same one you left from. This is fact.






    C. Venat tells us this:



    This tells us that, while we can avoid making grand sweeping changes in time, that small actions will still change the future. We see this with Venat making decisions based on what we told her and the information she learns from us.





    I have more I wanna say but at the moment, I'm quite tired. I'll catch back up later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
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    Thank you for taking the time to make the image. I'm not ignoring your contributions, to this discussion, but you are making the same case as Iscah, so I will mostly be replying in that direction.
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    Last edited by WellGramarye; 09-05-2022 at 10:40 PM.