Double shield healer is an issue now?

[Liam_Harper]

SGE/SCH is amazing on the new EX (and in general really), but players are just misinformed. SE has strongly implied that healers should be "barrier + pure" and they blindly trust the developer even if you offer proof that they're wrong.

This is nothing new or unique to this patch. This is the same thing as AST's switching to Noct in the past when playing with a WHM in easier content, groups insisting on "no doubles" when they don't even use or need early lb3, groups insisting on 2 melee and so on. There are certain things the general playerbase gets stuck in their heads and refuses to change their mind on.

[Raven2014]

I've noticed that lately one of us is being asked to switch to WHM or AST.
It had happened several evenings already since 6.2, while its never been a issue on the other 3 Extremes.
Has anyone else experience issues with this?

People had always been asking that before this patch, you just never seen it before. The same people would also ask that question if they see a double regen. It's simply the assumption that 2 of the same type doesn't work very hell - which is a correct assumption. However, the heal ceiling for most content is so low that it doesn't matter.

[Supersnow845]

People had always been asking that before this patch, you just never seen it before. The same people would also ask that question if they see a double regen. It's simply the assumption that 2 of the same type doesn't work very hell - which is a correct assumption. However, the heal ceiling for most content is so low that it doesn't matter.

Double regen doesn’t work well, double shield is basically the strongest combo from a healing perspective and second strongest from a DPS perspective

The regen healers are just underpowered

[Wolwosh]

People had always been asking that before this patch, you just never seen it before. The same people would also ask that question if they see a double regen. It's simply the assumption that 2 of the same type doesn't work very hell - which is a correct assumption. However, the heal ceiling for most content is so low that it doesn't matter.

I've been playing since 2013 and farmed multiple extremes until I had 99 tokens, and never saw it being brought up.
Thats why I think its so weird I've been asked several times now to switch.

[Wolwosh]

Or flatout got kicked for it

[Raven2014]

Double regen doesn’t work well, double shield is basically the strongest combo from a healing perspective and second strongest from a DPS perspective

The regen healers are just underpowered

First, how thing appears on paper doesn't necessary translate to how it is. I had run double regen and double shield and they're about the same. Sure, one may have less "raw" number, but if the "required" number is way below that anyway, that point is essentially moot.


Second, as long as you have a good group and the 2 healers coordinate, anything work, and double shield is indeed probably the best in term of efficiency and overheal. But that's not the context here. Taking the average skill of PF into consideration, a normal shield+gen combo is still the best choice in term of safety and return, and it works out of box without the 2 healers have to coordinate.

A heavily modded plane would probably be amazing in the hand of an experience pilot, but someone who just got of flyschool would probably want to stick with a stock configuration.

I've been playing since 2013 and farmed multiple extremes until I had 99 tokens, and never saw it being brought up.
Thats why I think its so weird I've been asked several times now to switch.

Like I said, I had seen it a few time. But to fair most of them are just a question, and everyone is ok as long as they healers said "it's ok". I have never seen anyone insist on it in the manner of "change or you get kicked".

[RyuDragnier]

I don't personally do EX, but I've heard the issue with this is that the shields don't stack, so half of your effective healing is wasted.

Correct, but those are GCD shields. SGE has to use another move to access them, otherwise its AoE heal is just a heal. So the issues rarely, if ever, come up, as nothing else in their kits has that issue. And in most 8 man content, you shouldn't need to GCD heal outside of Pneuma (DPS neutral with a huge heal on SGE) or untargetable boss downtime before a big hit, so the issues almost never come up.

[Supersnow845]

First, how thing appears on paper doesn't necessary translate to how it is. I had run double regen and double shield and they're about the same. Sure, one may have less "raw" number, but if the "required" number is way below that anyway, that point is essentially moot.


Second, as long as you have a good group and the 2 healers coordinate, anything work, and double shield is indeed probably the best in term of efficiency and overheal. But that's not the context here. Taking the average skill of PF into consideration, a normal shield+gen combo is still the best choice in term of safety and return, and it works out of box without the 2 healers have to coordinate.

A heavily modded plane would probably be amazing in the hand of an experience pilot, but someone who just got of flyschool would probably want to stick with a stock configuration.

If your PF needs so much healing you need a regen healer to be spamming GCD recovery tools constantly that a shield healer cannot compensate for then you are in a trap party, you simple do not need that much healing in any content (even DSR which is disgustingly difficult on double regen but barely feels harder than savage on double shield)

This is especially considering it’s an EX, double shield throughput far exceeds what is needed for even an EX gone wrong and mitigation is king in high end content

I agree in upper savage floors you need to know what you are doing to get the best benefit out of double shields but in EX the problem is certainly the team not the healers

[Wolwosh]

In this specific fight people tend to die right before the 4x double stack, so more people die, or us the healers.
While I agree its harder to recover from that while being Sch/Sage, if I would have been Ast we wouldn't have miraculously been able to save them though it.

[Wolwosh]

Its easy to blame the healers though I guess.
See it as a heal issue instead of a don't stand in the bad all the time..