Double shield healer is an issue now?

[Wolwosh]

Hi o/
Little back story.
I've been farming the new Ex with my friend, he's a Sch main and I like to Sage with him.
We heal super well together and compliment eachother, never had any issues, don't overlap our shields, no wipes because of lack of healing.
When **** hits the fan its a Sage/Sch prob and not a do mechanics properly issue..
I've noticed that lately one of us is being asked to switch to WHM or AST.
It had happened several evenings already since 6.2, while its never been a issue on the other 3 Extremes.
Has anyone else experience issues with this?

[Seraphor]

SGE and SCH is a perfectly fine combo.
The only shields that clash are the Eukrasian ones, and SGE has some decent regens and the damage reduction compliments SCH's shields.
The only shortfall might be where your pure healing capabilities come into play, but that's more to do with how well you coordinate.

[NekoMataMata]

SGE and SCH is a perfectly fine combo.
The only shields that clash are the Eukrasian ones, and SGE has some decent regens and the damage reduction compliments SCH's shields.
The only shortfall might be where your pure healing capabilities come into play, but that's more to do with how well you coordinate.

This is also where one of the fewest uses for Pepsis seems to exist. Since you can pop your Eukrasian shields into HP as SGE before the SCH heals.

It's a shame Emergency Tactics doesn't work with Succor though. Then SCH would be able to do the same thing.

[Jamini]

This is also where one of the fewest uses for Pepsis seems to exist. Since you can pop your Eukrasian shields into HP as SGE before the SCH heals.

It's a shame Emergency Tactics doesn't work with Succor though. Then SCH would be able to do the same thing.

What on earth are you talking about? Succor works just fine with Emergency Tactics. It's probably the best "pure" group heal SCH has (coupled with Recitation)

Please don't give misinformation about jobs you don't play to new people.

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SCH/SGE works just fine. My first EX.4 clear (twice) was that combo, as is my present static. If anything it's hilariously funny to watch tankbusters and heavy raidwides deal 0 damage as they hit your shields. There is a level of coordination that's required to do the combo well, but that's true of anything for higher-end content.

Generally when I'm with a SGE, I find myself focusing more on recovery over mitigation (since SCH has more on-demand heals and a regen on soil, while SGE has more mobility in their AoE mit). With an AST or WHM it's reversed (I focus on shielding/mitting damage more, they focus on recovery)

[gotaname1]

It's a shame Emergency Tactics doesn't work with Succor though. Then SCH would be able to do the same thing.

As a SCH I have to say that you are incorrect on this. Emergency Tactics does increase the healing on Succor.

[Darthgummibear]

I don't personally do EX, but I've heard the issue with this is that the shields don't stack, so half of your effective healing is wasted.

[RyuDragnier]

I don't personally do EX, but I've heard the issue with this is that the shields don't stack, so half of your effective healing is wasted.

Correct, but those are GCD shields. SGE has to use another move to access them, otherwise its AoE heal is just a heal. So the issues rarely, if ever, come up, as nothing else in their kits has that issue. And in most 8 man content, you shouldn't need to GCD heal outside of Pneuma (DPS neutral with a huge heal on SGE) or untargetable boss downtime before a big hit, so the issues almost never come up.

[Darthgummibear]

Correct, but those are GCD shields. SGE has to use another move to access them, otherwise its AoE heal is just a heal. So the issues rarely, if ever, come up, as nothing else in their kits has that issue. And in most 8 man content, you shouldn't need to GCD heal outside of Pneuma (DPS neutral with a huge heal on SGE) or untargetable boss downtime before a big hit, so the issues almost never come up.

Thanks for the clarification. I main AST and not as aware of those particular synergies.

[SnowVix]

When **** hits the fan its a Sage/Sch prob and not a do mechanics properly issue..
I've noticed that lately one of us is being asked to switch to WHM or AST.

tbh, it sounds like a case of people looking for something other than themselves to blame, but SCH/SGE would have the least recovery capability of any of the 6 combos (but can still do it just fine if done carefully)

[Shikiseki]

I think it's best for the Scholar to only use their emergency tactics gcd heals if needed and let sage be the one that uses their gcd shields as they can turn them into pure healing after if you still need to top off ppl. But other than that, they should be perfectly fine, you have more burst healing than you might think between Idom, Blessing, Holos, Ixo/Pnevma.