Double shield healer is an issue now?

[Wolwosh]

People had always been asking that before this patch, you just never seen it before. The same people would also ask that question if they see a double regen. It's simply the assumption that 2 of the same type doesn't work very hell - which is a correct assumption. However, the heal ceiling for most content is so low that it doesn't matter.

I've been playing since 2013 and farmed multiple extremes until I had 99 tokens, and never saw it being brought up.
Thats why I think its so weird I've been asked several times now to switch.

[Wolwosh]

Or flatout got kicked for it

[Wolwosh]

In this specific fight people tend to die right before the 4x double stack, so more people die, or us the healers.
While I agree its harder to recover from that while being Sch/Sage, if I would have been Ast we wouldn't have miraculously been able to save them though it.

[Wolwosh]

Its easy to blame the healers though I guess.
See it as a heal issue instead of a don't stand in the bad all the time..

[Jeeqbit]

Although I do personally set the slots to Pure Healer and Shield Healer, I believe that all healers can be played as pure healers, because I play SCH as a pure healer and rarely use my shields. SCH has access to plenty of regens and pure heals that can be combined to match what pure healers are doing (SGE is the same since most of its abilities have the same overall effect).

[Packetdancer]

SCH/SGE is a perfectly viable combination, though the SGE does need to be aware not to clobber the SCH's shields. (As you note.) But, I mean... if I'm casting Eukrasian shields, we're probably in free-fall as a party regardless. Given the plethora of non-shield mitigations, regen options, and outright incoming-healing buffs that apply even to the other healer in SGE's kit -- to say nothing of things like Haima and Panhaima which do stack -- in the hands of a duo who are in sync, SGE and SCH go together like peanut butter and jelly. Tasty, tasty peanut butter.

(...crap, I skipped lunch due to that work meeting, didn't I.)

ANYWAY. That notwithstanding, there are a lot of SGE players out there who do just blindly overwrite SCH shields, so a lot of PF parties have trust issues where that's concerned -- or just blindly parrot the "must have one barrier healer and one regen healer" mindset. And the new extreme does have a higher healing requirement than the previous three, so folks are probably being more aware of healers in party composition.

[Sunhwapark]

Tbh, if the players are failing so many mechanics because they think you get a khloe sticker per stack of vuln and are speedrunning to attempt a 3 lines book handin from that single pull alone, then there is a siginificantly bigger issue in that party that goes beyond the scope of healing.

[Rilifane]

The "must have pure + shield healer" is complete nonsense.
SGE/ SCH is an insanely strong comp and not just in optimized settings or "in theory". This isn't about theory vs reality, it's about reality, period.

SGE and SCH work beautifully together; their combined mitigation can ensure survival even with several vuln stacks going around and it's not that hard to say "SGE uses single target GCD shields, SCH uses aoe GCD shields". That's basically all the coordination you need and every monkey can do that. I struggle to even call that "coordination" because it's like one tank asking the other if they want to MT or OT.
But people keep spewing this nonsense that "but you need regens" when SGE has one strong regen + mitigation on 30s and one strong regen + heal buff on 60s. That's more than WHM and AST bring combined. SGE is basically your regen healer with mitigation and shields slapped on top of it and a burst heal lazor for good measure. Panhaima + Kera single-handedly deletes a tumult if there is some other mitigation like Reprisal or Samba up as well.

SGE has unlimited EDiag for quick spot healing if someone ate extra/ has stacks and while it's a dps loss it's not only faster but also more likely to save someone than a Benefic II/ Cure II. Haima easily deletes the dot if someone got knocked into the wall/ yeeted back into the circle or autos if they got aggro after tank died and it's not like you need it anywhere else; not even if tanks don't mitigate because you have 2 constant auto heals from Embrace and Kardia.
SCH makes up for the one weakness that SGE has with their fairy, which is a lack if displaced healing. They can both recover just fine and are not behind AST and WHM unless you simply ignore your toolkit.

If you have 2 healers that mindlessly spam their GCD heals instead of using oGCDs then yes, you'll have problems. But taking the absolute worst possible type of player and use it to spin it into a "bad comp, not reliable, bad recovery, nos suited for PF" is a stretch to put it mildly.

Of all the Ex parties I had, healing with another shield healer was always the smoothest experience simply because there is so much mitigation that it's next to impossible to ever "fall behind" and experience emergencies.

[Packetdancer]

Although I do personally set the slots to Pure Healer and Shield Healer

I will admit I do the same, but mostly because if I don't and you have a SGE and SCH, a frankly unfortunate number of people will join and go "Oh, two shield healers" and then leave again.

As I said in my earlier post, I think SGE/SCH is not only viable but has incredible synergy when used right... but I'm only willing to swim against the current so far when I just want a PF to fill. :/