It is not possible to play without doing dps as healer? every day i find someone...

[vetch]

I like feeling powerful and skilled. Yanking people back from death is *part* of that. Helplessly standing around and spamming useless spells makes me feel the opposite of that.

Doing damage as a healer is fun for me. Because it means, in a well-designed combat system, that I'm skilled enough to do it. I don't heal in FF14 anymore because dealing damage as a healer requires neither skill to perform, nor skill to reach.

Right. You clearly understand that the purpose of a videogame is to have fun, since you say outright that you abandoned FF14 healer because the DPS spells ceased to be fun and, in effect, became just as 'useless' to you as heals cast on a full-health party. Lucky you to have the option! But, for those of us who find all MMO DPS kinda boring, there's no other role to fall back to.

Spamming healing spells is the boring part of healing. The rush from pulling people back from the brink dulls considerably if it gets reduced down to Medica Medica Medica Medica Medica.

Crucially, I also do not want to spam the same heals over and over. I would like a healing and buffing kit with some level of interplay involved where I have to use my judgement and experience.

[SaberMaxwell]

So tl;dr: if you can't or are uncomfortable doing something in a dungeon, explain why you can't or are uncomfortable and don't say "I'm old school" and leave it at that. Gotcha.

[Semirhage]

Crucially, I also do not want to spam the same heals over and over. I would like a healing and buffing kit with some level of interplay involved where I have to use my judgement and experience.

Good luck with that one. FF14's GCD kits have never seen an impressive level of interactivity, but they at least didn't overstay their welcome to a boring degree when oGCDs were less plentiful and incoming damage was more frequent.

I still don't get this fantasy of healer-as-pacifist-heal-spammer comes from. It's the same as the DPS fantasy, but inverted and focused on healing, a capability with sharply diminishing returns. I don't play healers to constantly heal as much as I can. I play support roles because they often engage my brain with multitasking. Healing is on the list, as are buffs and debuffs and damage and so on. I like the juggle. And that juggling act is the core of support classes in many an RPG, single and multiplayer.

"I play a HEALer to HEAL!" is the phrase that makes me think, if you want such straightforward focused gameplay, try a DPS. FF14 doesn't really have that juggle anymore; hell, RDM plays more like an actual support than a healer does. At least I have a wide (if not exhaustive) bag of tricks and I can't perform the rotation with my eyes closed.

I come from a largely D&D and cRPG background. Healers heal....as a mostly last resort because buffing and crowd control etc al is much more interesting than Push Healthbars Rightward Spell Number Six.

[vetch]

I still don't get this fantasy of healer-as-pacifist-heal-spammer comes from. It's the same as the DPS fantasy, but inverted and focused on healing, a capability with sharply diminishing returns. I don't play healers to constantly heal as much as I can. I play support roles because they often engage my brain with multitasking. Healing is on the list, as are buffs and debuffs and damage and so on. I like the juggle. And that juggling act is the core of support classes in many an RPG, single and multiplayer.

I agree, but it's not necessary for you to understand where a class fantasy comes from to respect the fact that a lot of players do have that fantasy.

"I play a HEALer to HEAL!" is the phrase that makes me think, if you want such straightforward focused gameplay, try a DPS. FF14 doesn't really have that juggle anymore; hell, RDM plays more like an actual support than a healer does. At least I have a wide (if not exhaustive) bag of tricks and I can't perform the rotation with my eyes closed.

I come from a largely D&D and cRPG background. Healers heal....as a mostly last resort because buffing and crowd control etc al is much more interesting than Push Healthbars Rightward Spell Number Six.

Missing the point again. 'Healing and buffing allies' class fantasy and 'doing damage to enemy' class fantasy are not interchangeable. I can't just flip a switch on my brain and start to find one enjoyable when I didn't before, superficial similarities of focus notwithstanding.

Though, I concur that buffing and encounter control are more interesting. Certainly more interesting than 'Push Enemy Healthbar Leftward Spell Number Eight (of Twelve)'. CBU3 doesn't seem to agree with us, though; they seem to be absolutely terrified of players being able to interface with their encounters beyond 'make bar go up or down'.

[T-Owl]

I agree, but it's not necessary for you to understand where a class fantasy comes from to respect the fact that a lot of players do have that fantasy.



Missing the point again. 'Healing and buffing allies' class fantasy and 'doing damage to enemy' class fantasy are not interchangeable. I can't just flip a switch on my brain and start to find one enjoyable when I didn't before, superficial similarities of focus notwithstanding.

Though, I concur that buffing and encounter control are more interesting. Certainly more interesting than 'Push Enemy Healthbar Leftward Spell Number Eight (of Twelve)'. CBU3 doesn't seem to agree with us, though; they seem to be absolutely terrified of players being able to interface with their encounters beyond 'make bar go up or down'.

Then maybe play a game where the healer role is focussed on exactly that, purely healing and buffing players? I mean, in this case it comes off like you just make an ass of yourself by falling back on a playstyle that is not supported by FF14. FF14 strongly pushes a dps focussed playstyle on healers due to the fact that in most scenarios, you can just perfectly heal your party inbetween dps casts and even if you deliberatley chose to not use your ogcd toolkit, which would be like a dps just spamming their 1-2-3 combo, there isn't enough to heal to be constantly focussed on doing that. I think soon upcoming Wrath of the Lich King Classic still leans towards pure healer playstyles in its design and you have classes like Shaman or Paladin who have strong supportive toolkits.

[Tlamila]

Honestly, class fantasy can only go as far when you're playing your role in a team in multiplayer game. In a single player alone sure, do what you want, but in a party with other players you can't just go "in my mind this classs should be doing this so I'll play like this", you play it like it's supposed to be played it. Outside of roleplay, you go by class mechanics as designed.
And if you don't like how a class workds becaue it breaks your fantasy...play another?

[Liesmyth]

Totally possible even in lastest DSR ultimate, but your dps will need to actually doing real dps. Good dps healers deal around 4k dps on dsr. If you only put dots and heal and shoot sometime you are gonna be around 1.9k.it's 2.1k different. if 2 healers do the same so it's just 4.2k diffrent. each dps has to deal 1k more dps which is totally possible. I had a clear with only 2 healers are above avg and all dps were under.

welp to be fair it's much more easier for healers just do more dps to get the missing dps than dps try to milk more of their dps.

[Naoki34]

Heal Dps ?

You're free not to Dps as a healer, Yoshi-P said.

You meet people like that, you carry on the conversation and then it's not your problem anymore. Through a blacklist of course.

Whether you play well or not, there will always be people who say you're bad. Sometimes I don't even read the team channel anymore.

And then, if they kick you, it's a service, you don't have to put up with them and you can put yourself in a new line up in the hope of finding healthier people.

It's better to be alone than to be in bad company.

[Sebazy]

And then, if they kick you, it's a service, you don't have to put up with them and you can put yourself in a new line up in the hope of finding people that are more willing to carry you.

It's better to be alone than to make some kind of effort.

Fixed for you <3

[T-Owl]

You're free not to Dps as a healer, Yoshi-P said.

You meet people like that, you carry on the conversation and then it's not your problem anymore. Through a blacklist of course.

Whether you play well or not, there will always be people who say you're bad. Sometimes I don't even read the team channel anymore.

And then, if they kick you, it's a service, you don't have to put up with them and you can put yourself in a new line up in the hope of finding healthier people.

It's better to be alone than to be in bad company.

The Healers who just adamantly refuse to do any dps are the bad company though. As long as the tank plays average and isn't underequipped, it is possible to heal dungeon pulls, even wall to wall pulls, fully through ogcds in between dps casts. Not using ones ogcd toolkit to aspire towards optimal performance is basically the equivalent of a dps only using their 1-2-3 combos and ignoring any skills they get after level 30. Or in the case of tank, a no-dps healer would be the equivalent of a tank who just uses his offensive abilities to keep aggro and otherwise stands still and casts defensives. Like, they technically do their job, the dps is still dpsing and the tank is holding aggro and surviving, but I think nobody would deny that this is kinda shit and anti-social behavior because you are disrespecting the time and effort of your team mates. Only with the Healer Role, we have this sense of entitlement to just play plain bad, not contributing to the team effort and ignoring most of ones toolkit. So yeah, it is a selfish-entitled mentality and players shouldn't be forced to play with toxic, entitled people.

In the Case of the OP, their stated their excuse was being an "oldschool-healer", which sounds at best like being lazy and willfully bad at the game through refusal to adapt to modern gameplay design or at worst like toxic entitlement to do the least because it fits some wish-fullfillment fantasy. Nobody was giving them shit for feeling incapable of doing dps while healing due to health-issues through, people just recommended just stating this outright as people will be much more understanding than towards a pure old-school healer (especially since WoW Classic has proven to the world that the hardcore oldschool mentality is just plain sucking at the gaming) and they gave even helpful advice how they can adjust to playing more optimally despite physical limitations, like getting a cheap mmo-mouse that makes utilizing more buttons more easy or just playing with mouse clicks.