It is not possible to play without doing dps as healer? every day i find someone...

[Supersnow845]

And it manages to be the least fun healer to play because of that. This game's gcd is too long for such an ''identity'' to exist.

Well that and outside of ultimates it has literally zero optimisation, reactive healing is naturally more boring than proactive healing and it’s class fantasy got replaced with “disco ball”

I would say “please redesign WHM” but I know squares idea of a WHM redesign is “make the other healers worse so WHM feels comparatively better” so let’s not go there

[GoatOfWar]

Well that and outside of ultimates it has literally zero optimisation, reactive healing is naturally more boring than proactive healing and it’s class fantasy got replaced with “disco ball”

I would say “please redesign WHM” but I know squares idea of a WHM redesign is “make the other healers worse so WHM feels comparatively better” so let’s not go there

I am well aware. I'm a WoW refugee and i used to switch between Holy priest and Discipline priest. The former is reactive and the latter is proactive. Without it's proactive sister spec, Holy priest would be insufferable long term.

[vetch]

And it manages to be the least fun healer to play because of that. This game's gcd is too long for such an ''identity'' to exist.

And yet MCH and SMN manage to have 1.5sGCD phases without shattering the game asunder, which would be a neat identity for WHM.

[Supersnow845]

And yet MCH and SMN manage to have 1.5sGCD phases without shattering the game asunder, which would be a neat identity for WHM.

That’s basically what presence of mind amounts to, but it’s not like you ever need a faster GCD to pump out more healing

[vetch]

That’s basically what presence of mind amounts to, but it’s not like you ever need a faster GCD to pump out more healing

Sure, but imagine if you had a little RDM spell tree or, dare I dream, some extremely short-duration GCD buffs/debuffs to juggle.

[ty_taurus]

My firm opinion on WHM is that it should be a low APM job with very light weaving needs that takes more inspiration from BLM. Both are already linked via lore, and the two should really foil one another more. Staying low APM also keeps it feeling easy to play even if given more unique tools to work with.

I also like the idea of taking inspiration from Aerith in FF7R since she's very similiar to what FF14's WHM is like--a more nature-themed healer could offer a really fresh take on the job that can keep it feeling slower and easy to manage at face value, but offer some complexity in the value of your spell order and staying still for certain casts. I do like its existing lily system as well through and moving that down into early levels to make the focal point of its gameplay I think is essential for the job in the future.

[FakeCirka]

(A) To quote the famous Jocat: dps is mitigating future damage

Everyone watched his video and went on a rampage of healers must do DPS > Healing, as long as they are above 1 hp they are fine. I know when I tank I hate when healers are stingy on heals and I'm worried I'm gonna die because I'm always below 10% HP. I mostly hate it cause THOSE (Edit due to someone not understanding English - Those as in the healers who keep you below 10% HP) types of healers tend to let me die lol, but what ever, to each their own. I personally DPS when I am playing my healer, and often times, sadly, I "know" I out DPS other DPS classes lol, so I know healers can do some pretty nice damage. That being said, I don't agree with how far most players take the whole "Healer have to DPS". I feel like if thats allowed, then healers should be allowed to complain about DPS' using improper rotations and having poor DPS in the first place.

I've played raid content with healers who don't DPS and we've still beat the enrage timer. Most of the time when a enrage timer isn't beat its because the DPS are not doing proper rotations, but most people would rather just blame others of course so if they see a healer not doing DPS, thats who gets blamed. *Edit* That being said, healers really should be doing DPS in Savage content or any form of high end content, it only makes sense. (Have to add this in for a specific snow flake who cannot read properly due to being ESL - This is NOT me saying Healers should not be expected to DPS in raid content, just pointing out the literal mathematical fact that it can be downed without a healer doing DPS). For other forms of content, such as MSQ dungeons, trials, or even alliance raids, well they are most likely not performing their best either.

Dealing DPS is nice if you can pull it off, it will make you a better player of course being able to multi-task between focusing on damaging the boss and also keeping your group alive. It will teach you how to properly weave OGCDs which is important for every job in this game. Not everyone has the skill or ability to do it though, so I don't feel like theres a need for anyone to complain about it, especially when its in normal content. The same people who call out healers for that stuff would cry and report if someone said the same thing about their dps being low due to rotation. Its just hypocritical.

At the end of the day, SE themselves state a healers job is to keep the party alive. If you are doing that, regardless if you are able to contribute DPS or not, you are doing your job.

[Supersnow845]

Everyone watched his video and went on a rampage of healers must do DPS > Healing, as long as they are above 1 hp they are fine. I know when I tank I hate when healers are stingy on heals and I'm worried I'm gonna die because im always below 10% HP. I mostly hate it cause THOSE types of healers tend to let me die lol, but what ever, to each their own. I personally DPS when I am playing my healer, and often times, sadly, I "know" I out DPS other DPS classes lol, so I know healers can do some pretty nice damage. That being said, I don't agree with how far most players take the whole "Healer have to DPS". I feel like if thats allowed, then healers should be allowed to complain about DPS' using improper rotations and having poor DPS in the first place. I've played raid content with healers who don't DPS and we've still beat the enrage timer. Most of the time when a enrage timer isn't beat its because the DPS are not doing proper rotations, but most people would rather just blame others of course so if they see a healer not doing DPS, thats who gets blamed.

Dealing DPS is nice if you can pull it off, it will make you a better player of course being able to multi-task between focusing on damaging the boss and also keeping your group alive. It will teach you how to properly weave OGCDs which is important for every job in this game. Not everyone has the skill or ability to do it though, so I don't feel like theres a need for anyone to complain about it, especially when its in normal content. The same people who call out healers for that stuff would cry and report if someone said the same thing about their dps being low due to rotation. Its just hypocritical.

At the end of the day, SE themselves state a healers job is to keep the party alive. If you are doing that, regardless if you are able to contribute DPS or not, you are doing your job.

If you think that people who do damage on healers are also your freestyle DPS players then I’m not sure what to tell you honestly, doing damage as a healer shows you know how to play the game, it’s why we have weave spots on our nuke spells, because of oGCD’s. Your freestyle SAM’s are also your zero DPS healers. This is to say nothing of heals that actually benefit from a tank being lower, ED, excog and benediction all benefit from the tank being lower with taurochole and holos getting more benefit assuming the upfront heal is not wasted. Keeping a tank lower for damage shows you understand the tanks, if a WAR is at 20% but I know bloodwhetting is coming in about 5 seconds then he can sit at 20% and heal himself, same as GNB with not excog or DRK with his invuln

And on the subject of raid enrage timers, a zero DPS healer is only going to be carried by DPS gear bloat, the two healers combined do about 20% of the raids damage, you are not clearing at min ilvl 20% damage down, no matter how well your DPS perform, even at BIS zero DPS healer clears are tight

[ty_taurus]

At the end of the day, SE themselves state a healers job is to keep the party alive. If you are doing that, regardless if you are able to contribute DPS or not, you are doing your job.

If you do little or no DPSing as a healer, and your party dies to enrage, then you didn't exactly keep the party alive, did you.

Every job, regardless of your role, is responsible for doing as much damage as it can to the boss. Every job, regardless of role, is responsible for doing everything possible for keeping the party alive. These are not mutually exclusive aspects to the DPS and healers. Healers need to DPS just as much as DPS need to use mitigation and do mechanics correctly as to not kill their allies, which is to say, they need to do as much damage as they can squeeze out of their GCD. That is how the game is fundamentally designed. SE may not like that, but that's how they designed FFXIV. Choosing not to DPS as a healer or intentionally using your shitty GCD heals when you know you would be better off using your OGCD heals instead is called griefing, because you are intentionally underplaying for selfish gain which is rude and disrespectful to other players. That is universal online gaming etiquette.

[FakeCirka]

If you think that people who do damage on healers are also your freestyle DPS players then I’m not sure what to tell you honestly, doing damage as a healer shows you know how to play the game

Never once said people who do damage on healers are also freestyle dps players.

This is to say nothing of heals that actually benefit from a tank being lower, ED, excog and benediction all benefit from the tank being lower with taurochole and holos getting more benefit assuming the upfront heal is not wasted. Keeping a tank lower for damage shows you understand the tanks, if a WAR is at 20% but I know bloodwhetting is coming in about 5 seconds then he can sit at 20% and heal himself, same as GNB with not excog or DRK with his invuln

Even though the wording is pretty all over the place, I understand what you are trying to say, but again, you are not actually understanding what I wrote. I'm assuming English is perhaps your second language, which is fine and I am not trying to bash you for that, but my comment was more directed towards the healers who keep players extremely low and then let them die.

And on the subject of raid enrage timers, a zero DPS healer is only going to be carried by DPS gear bloat, the two healers combined do about 20% of the raids damage

I think we can both agree that a zero DPS healer really shouldn't be doing things such as savage content, but I hard disagree that DPS cannot make enrage if the healer is not DPSing when played perfectly.