Local Levees - The Bastard Stepchild of FFXIV

[Mireille]

I had read this post. It deals only with adding recipes to cover the new requirementsa post 1.21. While I applaud this it does not mention any changes or addition the the local leve system

This directly addresses the complaint in your post.

and be adding recipes to the levels that are lacking.

we are planning to eliminate the old recipes.

Unless there is some hidden meaning this means they will add recipes where they are lacking in certain level ranges, and to eliminate the old recipes they will have to replace the dated recipes in the leve with new recipes. As the level that much of the gear is made has changed this will necessitate that they re-think which items go in which leves at each level. For example 'dated velvetine shirts' that were appropriate for a 40 leve pre-1.19 are now level 20 - 30. They will have to completely rethink what items match which quests. Yes I suppose they could completely ignore that carpenter gets 0 level 50 leve and leatherworker gets 3 level 50 leve while they rework things, but that would be asinine and I think they have more sense than that. All of these changes show they know its broken. It just isn't their number 1 priority as opposed to say jobs and AF.

I have yet to read anything that says they are removing craft leve from the game.

This post was made after a series of threads were started in frustration at the imbalance in the way the local levequest system works. It addresses the need to replace the dated recipes in levequests with new ones, and balance out the availability of leve at certain levels. It also lays out the timeline for implementation. Other than 1.22 she doesn't mention patches by number, but as long as she is referring to major patches the fixes will be in 1.22, 1.23, and 1.24. If they are removing old recipes in 1.24 then either 1.23 or 1.24 must contain new levequests that use the new recipes.

[Rizon]

This directly addresses the complaint in your post.



Unless there is some hidden meaning this means they will add recipes where they are lacking in certain level ranges, and to eliminate the old recipes they will have to replace the dated recipes in the leve with new recipes. As the level that much of the gear is made has changed this will necessitate that they re-think which items go in which leves at each level. For example 'dated velvetine shirts' that were appropriate for a 40 leve pre-1.19 are now level 20 - 30. They will have to completely rethink what items match which quests. Yes I suppose they could completely ignore that carpenter gets 0 level 50 leve and leatherworker gets 3 level 50 leve while they rework things, but that would be asinine and I think they have more sense than that. All of these changes show they know its broken. It just isn't their number 1 priority as opposed to say jobs and AF.

I have yet to read anything that says they are removing craft leve from the game.

This post was made after a series of threads were started in frustration at the imbalance in the way the local levequest system works. It addresses the need to replace the dated recipes in levequests with new ones, and balance out the availability of leve at certain levels. It also lays out the timeline for implementation. Other than 1.22 she doesn't mention patches by number, but as long as she is referring to major patches the fixes will be in 1.22, 1.23, and 1.24. If they are removing old recipes in 1.24 then either 1.23 or 1.24 must contain new levequests that use the new recipes.

You and I are reading this with different interpertations. I take this to mean that recipes will be added to the general lineup and has nothing to do with Local Leves per se. Maybe the Community Reps can give us a clarification.

[Mireille]

You and I are reading this with different interpertations. I take this to mean that recipes will be added to the general lineup and has nothing to do with Local Leves per se. Maybe the Community Reps can give us a clarification.

Perhaps, but I don't believe they can remove the recipes and still have the leve work, and while they 'repositioned' leve as solo content they have never said they are removing any of the leve systems from the game. Add in the new achievements that require you to get 100 million from leve quests, and it seems highly unlikely the system is dead and buried.

If they did leave the system as it is with some crafts missing leve at certain level ranges plus with the subcraft and support requirements I think people who use the system would be outraged. At least I know I would. I just can't believe that they would do that if their goal is to have everything functional next October.

[TheVedis]

Perhaps, but I don't believe they can remove the recipes and still have the leve work, and while they 'repositioned' leve as solo content they have never said they are removing any of the leve systems from the game. Add in the new achievements that require you to get 100 million from leve quests, and it seems highly unlikely the system is dead and buried.

If they did leave the system as it is with some crafts missing leve at certain level ranges plus with the subcraft and support requirements I think people who use the system would be outraged. At least I know I would. I just can't believe that they would do that if their goal is to have everything functional next October.

they cant

theyve stated a few times that leves will be addressed in an upcoming patch, and i believe the removal of old recipes will tie into that

alot of people getting worked up over this not being done NOW NOW NOW as usual when it is for sure going to be dealt with in the future

[Wynn]

they cant

theyve stated a few times that leves will be addressed in an upcoming patch, and i believe the removal of old recipes will tie into that

alot of people getting worked up over this not being done NOW NOW NOW as usual when it is for sure going to be dealt with in the future

If anything, it is important NOW to tell SE what it is that is wrong with guildleves. If, for nothing else, just a reminder. Sorry to be a negative Nancy here, but with SE's track record on this game, my blind faith allowance is pretty sparse.

[Jinko]

If anything, it is important NOW to tell SE what it is that is wrong with guildleves. If, for nothing else, just a reminder. Sorry to be a negative Nancy here, but with SE's track record on this game, my blind faith allowance is pretty sparse.

Don't worry you will get eight more by tomorrow

Vedis always reminds me of an ignorant king sat in his castle laughing at the peasants and the lower levelled classes.

We've paid our taxes give us what we deserve, and I don't' mean a hanging !

[Rizon]

Perhaps, but I don't believe they can remove the recipes and still have the leve work, and while they 'repositioned' leve as solo content they have never said they are removing any of the leve systems from the game. Add in the new achievements that require you to get 100 million from leve quests, and it seems highly unlikely the system is dead and buried.

If they did leave the system as it is with some crafts missing leve at certain level ranges plus with the subcraft and support requirements I think people who use the system would be outraged. At least I know I would. I just can't believe that they would do that if their goal is to have everything functional next October.

Mireille please allow me to try anf clarify my position. My major concern is about the lack of appropriate local leves available for all skill levels. This has been a problem since the day of release. The actual recipes are of little consequence as you are not producing real items but setting counter flags you can have any recipe there. I have never stated that they were deleting Local Leves only that they should do so if they are not going to properly support them. I am in agreement with you that a lot of the old recipes will be replaced with new ones to keep up with the changing times. But adding new recipes is not the same as adding additional quests to complete balancing across all levels.

To TheVedis. They promised us improvement prior to 1.17. How patient do I have to be.....Ver3.0? It should not be too difficult to add additional quests unles they threw the template away

[Mireille]

Its been known for a while that its on their to do list to, doesnt mean it can be done instantly, it takes work and its not exactly a priority(nor should it be) compared to many other issues still being fixed

so yes, i do believe its alot for people to bring it up on a weekly basis and yell about it, since they obviously havent done a damn bit of research as to the status of the problem

The way I see it the changes they have been making are each a logical progression from each other. Each patch released is moving us in the correct direction and doing so in a much more controlled and sustainable way than if they performed them en mass in one patch. When you add it the fact that each patch must contain changes to other systems in the game in order to keep as many people happy as possible it makes sense why this is happening one step at a time for each system within the game.

Mireille please allow me to try anf clarify my position. My major concern is about the lack of appropriate local leves available for all skill levels. This has been a problem since the day of release. The actual recipes are of little consequence as you are not producing real items but setting counter flags you can have any recipe there.

I agree with you about the lack of quests available at various levels. Carpenter was a painful crawl 40 - 50 with leve, goldsmithing was bad 35 - 40 if I am remembering correctly. I've leveled 6/8 crafts to 50 across three characters using only leve to do so, and I know just how lacking the levequest can be.

In addition when they announced the new recipes coming in 1.19 I was excited because I had just finished leatherworker to 50, and most of the leather leve required weaver leveled in addition to leather. My weaver is level 7, and some of the leve required it at 35. A substantial number of the levequests I was being offered were impossible to complete because of that unless I stopped leveling leather and got weaver to 35. I thought the new recipes were fixing that in 1.19, and when the patch arrived despite the inclusion of new recipes the leve still used the dated ones. It's really frustrating to have a chunk of that time be wasted on stuff that doesn't work right or be forced you spend 4 weeks leveling something you aren't into leveling to make it work. Even though leather was done I couldn't believe they hadn't corrected something that broken when they had the chance.

If they had put forward what Rukkirii put in her post when they announced the new recipes slated for 1.19 I would have been ok with knowing a later update would fix the problem. I could have accepted it and looked forward to the fix in a future patch. They didn't and I foolishly got my hopes up, so my bad I guess.