Ninja at 66 feels more complex than Samurai at 90

[RaevusAstra]

Y'all really missed the mark with this one. For the record, I didn't even disagree that Kaiten shouldn't have been removed. In fact I've definitely said before I wanted Kaiten back as well, and 100% agree it adds to job feel and fantasy. In fact if they wanted to make iajutsu auto crit, they should've just attached it to Kaiten. It's countering the ridiculousness of OPs statement, which is hyperbolic and comes from a place of feelings about these changes. Saying things like "none of the changes benefit anyone" and "there's zero depth" surely isn't true, but again, all this vitriol because a job skill you liked is gone is exactly proving my point in the end.

Ofc, my comment wasn't even about Kaiten in the first place, it was about how you could have fun optimizing the Job even in its current state.

But go off y'all.

[Elkanah]

I'm still trying to get tanks in expert roulette not to pull mobs out of Doton

I got yelled at a couple times for doing that (but i turn all effects off that arent mine, so it never really occurred to me I was doing it) lol

[Rekun]

Y'all really missed the mark with this one. For the record, I didn't even disagree that Kaiten shouldn't have been removed. In fact I've definitely said before I wanted Kaiten back as well, and 100% agree it adds to job feel and fantasy. In fact if they wanted to make iajutsu auto crit, they should've just attached it to Kaiten. It's countering the ridiculousness of OPs statement, which is hyperbolic and comes from a place of feelings about these changes. Saying things like "none of the changes benefit anyone" and "there's zero depth" surely isn't true, but again, all this vitriol because a job skill you liked is gone is exactly proving my point in the end.

Ofc, my comment wasn't even about Kaiten in the first place, it was about how you could have fun optimizing the Job even in its current state.

But go off y'all.

You do realize that all of the things you mentioned in defense of Samurai being 'deep' at level 90 are the same things they have to do at level 50, right? Hagakure isn't that deep, it's an ability you use to reset your Sen counter during desperation attacks or at the start of fights so you can essentially start your rotation from zero while not losing resources you've built up.

The idea that Samurai is 'deep' and complex without Kenki management is bogus, please don't dismiss my legitimate complaints and observations about the current state of Samurai as hyperbole and then sit there and act like the victim when people call you out on it.

[RaevusAstra]

Okay sure. Have fun playing with your deep and complex lv 66 Nin rotation. Done with these forum threads.

[Fable_Frost]

You do realize that all of the things you mentioned in defense of Samurai being 'deep' at level 90 are the same things they have to do at level 50, right? Hagakure isn't that deep, it's an ability you use to reset your Sen counter during desperation attacks or at the start of fights so you can essentially start your rotation from zero while not losing resources you've built up.

The idea that Samurai is 'deep' and complex without Kenki management is bogus, please don't dismiss my legitimate complaints and observations about the current state of Samurai as hyperbole and then sit there and act like the victim when people call you out on it.

Perhaps try playing samurai optimally in content more difficult than normal before stating you can play it blind by mashing the buttons. The same could be said about literally all jobs.

[Yukimin]

People don't seem to understand that there are plenty of people who enjoy playing optimally in content that isn't Savage or Extreme trials.
Not every job needs to be baby mode like new Summoner and healers. It's not even a matter of being easy, it's a matter of being engaging and not boring
Fun, easy job: Dancer
Boring, easy job: Summoner

[Fable_Frost]

People don't seem to understand that there are plenty of people who enjoy playing optimally in content that isn't Savage or Extreme trials.

The issue is when those people aren't playing optimally in content that isn't Savage or Extreme trials and then coming to the forum complaining how easy the job is. As RaevusAstra mentioned, Samurai has a low skill floor and high skill ceiling. If you think it's easy, play it optimally then complain how easy it is, even in its watered down state.

[Rekun]

The issue is when those people aren't playing optimally in content that isn't Savage or Extreme trials and then coming to the forum complaining how easy the job is. As RaevusAstra mentioned, Samurai has a low skill floor and high skill ceiling. If you think it's easy, play it optimally then complain how easy it is, even in its watered down state.

Bold of you to assume that I already don't. I've been playing this job exclusively since it came out, I think I know how to play it optimally by now. I'm not speaking from inexperience here.

[Fable_Frost]

Bold of you to assume that I already don't. I've been playing this job exclusively since it came out, I think I know how to play it optimally by now. I'm not speaking from inexperience here.

Not that bold, fairly easy to ascertain.

[Rekun]

Not that bold, fairly easy to ascertain.

Okay, based on what? My gear? I haven't felt like playing Samurai since 6.1 or running serious content since Hades Extreme dropped. I've got 7 other characters I play, so for all you know this isn't even my main anymore.