6.2 Patch Notes

[Lauront]

Data is data. Just because you personally doesn't like where it comes from doesn't make it any more or less relevant. Attack the data, not the source of it.

In this case, he is "attacking" the data, because his comments on the source are not to do with the fact that he personally dislikes them, but explicitly that this statistical data has not gone through a process to ensure that the sample in question is representative of the broader playerbase, which realistically only SE possesses the means to do - other, unaffiliated parties could do it but it'd be a much harder and more resource-intensive undertaking for them. It is in the context of striker using this data as evidence of what the broader playerbase thinks, and Kazhar is correct to point out that this issue means that inference cannot be made. The data is fine if one understands its limitations.

That data is no more bad than aveyonds insistence that "many people don't like the things I don't like"

Is this going to be some two wrongs make a right type game? That data is pretty ill-suited if you're trying to claim it represents the will of some great majority of players (or inversely that it allows us to deduce from it what opinions are held by a supposed tiny minority), as striker is doing, and then routinely claiming, as he does, that people need to qualify how they word things while ignoring his own advice. Beyond that, I'm not interested in some tit-for-tat between the two posters - I am sure Aveyond can defend themselves against any grievances you and others may have with them.

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Good post. He's gone on record now a few times stipulating what he thinks a future MMO should or could) do (here, here and here, for instance.) I very strongly suspect he'd like to start with a clean slate, where he is unburdened by the technical restrictions of a game like XIV. Can't say I am too keen on Forspoken serving as a source of inspiration given what I've seen of it (unless you just mean its combat systems), but XVI is a different story entirely and at least appears to be an intriguing setting. I'm curious to see how XVI does and what he plans to work on next after it, XIV aside.

[Shougun]

Good post. He's gone on record now a few times stipulating what he thinks a future MMO should or could) do (here, here and here, for instance.) I very strongly suspect he'd like to start with a clean slate, where he is unburdened by the technical restrictions of a game like XIV. Can't say I am too keen on Forspoken serving as a source of inspiration given what I've seen of it (unless you just mean its combat systems), but XVI is a different story entirely and at least appears to be an intriguing setting. I'm curious to see how XVI does and what he plans to work on next after it, XIV aside.

I strictly meant the movement and combat, and of course it's an MMO so both would need further tweaks but it's an example of a higher action and recent game with strong movement presence as a sense of derivable fun (like GW2 mount system). FFXVI also having fairly strong movement system too, in combat at least- not sure about just environment side of things.

Any other relationship reference to forespoken was not intended. I was thinking of the core gameplay structures, as they design them, and test them, like FFXII had some relationship to FFXIV (particularly earlier on). Basically viewing them as games themselves but also concept builds and research opportunities.

Thanks for point out some of the hints I was talking about! Definitely have noticed before where he says a thing in passing and then years later you're like.... oh well I'll be .. There it is.