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    I have FF14 on an NMVe drive, I can deal with teleporting somewhere to get to Island Sanctuary. I hardcore did Eureka, Bozja, HoH, and POTD which all require teleporting to somewhere else first. It's really not a big deal teleporting and walking a few feet to an NPC. I would even welcome it if it were more than a few feet so I can show off my nice mounts on the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Might want to actually read a thread before commenting lol...it falls a little flat when you say "there's no evidence" AFTER that evidence has already been provided
    I read it. I commented on the two pieces of 'evidence' you routinely stick in there - try reading. My apologies for not referencing the Scion polls or the Reddit one, but given that they are self-selected fan samples, they suffer from exactly the same issues as every other sample you try reference, besides a Scion poll being orthogonal to the question of both their or EW's overall popularity in the broader playerbase (i.e. this goes back to the question of how representative their samples are) - polls I might add where they fall below certain non-Scion characters in popularity, in some cases by significant margins. So no, I'm afraid the 'evidence' in question doesn't meet the threshold outlined by Kazhar, and in spite of your frequent attempts to tone police others here for not neurotically qualifying their posts, you yourself don't bother doing that when you bluster on a rampage through various threads using fairly meek evidence, given the certainty you claim... almost like a puffer fish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazhar View Post
    At our level, we can't know what is truly popular or not. We can make observations and get something that might get close to correct, but by implying numbers like when you talk about "extremely tiny minority" you're making the exact same kind of unfounded claims than those who says that their views are shared by an "wide portion of the community". (which you also do, btw)
    Exactly. They're fine to use provided you acknowledge their limitations, those being that they tend to come from sites that skew very positive and are rather self-selected samples. I'd say the same of the OF - while it does lean more towards complaining (because it is set up for the very purpose of accommodating that), and while some complaints also have broader traction beyond its own confines, you still only have a starting point there before you undertake wider and deeper analysis. Unfortunately, to the extent that SE does this (maybe it's buried somewhere in those exabytes of data it pours over?), we have no clue what insights these statistics yield, what happens to them beyond that point, etc. I'd love it if they were more transparent with it, but I won't hold my breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    I read it. I commented on the two pieces of 'evidence' you routinely stick in there - try reading. My apologies for not referencing the Scion polls or the Reddit one, but given that they are self-selected fan samples, they suffer from exactly the same issues as every other sample you try reference, besides a Scion poll being orthogonal to the question of both their or EW's overall popularity in the broader playerbase (i.e. this goes back to the question of how representative their samples are) - polls I might add where they fall below certain non-Scion characters in popularity, in some cases by significant margins. So no, I'm afraid the 'evidence' in question doesn't meet the threshold outlined by Kazhar, and in spite of your frequent attempts to tone police others here for not neurotically qualifying their posts, you yourself don't bother doing that when you bluster on a rampage through various threads using fairly meek evidence, given the certainty you claim... almost like a puffer fish.
    That data is no more bad than aveyonds insistence that "many people don't like the things I don't like"
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    please mod/gm if you exist please just shut down this travesty of a thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    I’d certainly give up island sanctuary for instanced housing, for one.
    I’d be ok with FFXIV going offline for a year if that meant if those key issues were finally solved
    I think that people want features like instanced housing, better character customization, and a better glamour system and less excuses as to why they can’t happen. Just do it.
    You'd give up Playable Content for Instance Housing...dear lord.
    THANK GOD you dont make decisions for the Company, if you think taking the game offline for a Year to put in Instance Housing is a smart move. 12 months of Zero Revenue being made, just for housing and a few cosmetics. You have very bad Business Sense.

    Yeah Yeah Yeah we all want things, it would be nice to get what we want with no excuse and no obstacles. But thats not reality. You cant just FIX IT like its nothing.
    If it was that easy it would have been solved years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    THANK GOD you dont make decisions for the Company, if you think taking the game offline for a Year to put in Instance Housing is a smart move
    Are you high? In what universe would this be necessary for instanced housing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthgummibear View Post
    You do realize that saying you would personally be ok with something and it being a good idea for them to actually do it are two different things?
    You must be new to aveyond-dreams are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    You must be new to aveyond-dreams are you?
    I've seen enough over the past year to know there's a number of people on these forums who have an annoying habit of putting words in people's mouths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthgummibear View Post
    I've seen enough over the past year to know there's a number of people on these forums who have an annoying habit of putting words in people's mouths.
    Oh my bad, I guess I didnt read well enough what aveyond was saying. Let's ask.

    Hey aveyond, do you think its an actual good idea for the devs to take FFXIV off for a year to fix these problems or was this just a simple "in my humble opinion"?
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    TESO places a heavy focus on player housing, makes it available to every player who desires to indulge in the system, every house acquired is accessible on any character on one's account and once you unlock it you can take a break for months or even years and still find it intact upon returning to the game.

    That's not even getting into the sheer variety of houses on offer in terms of size and style or the many different furnishings on offer to suit a wide variety of tastes.

    I'm sure some of the usual suspects will downplay the appeal of player housing because they, themselves, don't care for it but it strikes me as very disingenuous to pretend as if it isn't a highly popular feature in a game such as this and as such more should be done to make it accessible to every player who desires it.

    I say this as someone lucky enough to own a large and a medium, so it's not a case of being salty because I don't have one myself.
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