Expert Dungeons

[Iscah]

Does a FFXIV dungeon really make you depressed?

Absolutely. That's the whole purpose of its storyline.

It works for that moment in the MSQ, perhaps – I still think it feels a bit disjointed having these "new stories" being told at the climax of another – but still, the gloomy mood fits that part of the larger story.

Still, that doesn't mean I want to experience it over and over in a roulette. It feels too heavy for that casual play setting, and is better kept to small doses.

(I have to wonder whether it could have worked better if they skipped having a final MSQ dungeon, proceeded straight to the final trial, and had three sidequest dungeons instead of two.)

"lacklustre" (sic).

That's not a typo, that's the correct spelling for UK English.

[Supersnow845]

That's not a typo, that's the correct spelling for UK English.

TBH I didn’t even realise he was discussing my spelling of it, I thought he was insulting my word choice

[Opinionated]

if you don't like expert roulette don't do expert roulette.

4head take

[TaleraRistain]

Putting on my game-developer/designer hat for a moment...

I strongly suspect that if you just add all the capped dungeons to a single roulette, people do not actually run that roulette more often. Meaning that as the expansion ages, the endgame dungeons will fill more slowly for folks just now getting there because you're spreading (hypothetically) the same number of roulettes being run across more dungeons. By splitting it into two -- the level 90 capstone and the current expert -- you can double-dip on the people who routinely run all their roulettes daily, using them to fill out the party for two runs of the endgame dungeons, rather than just one.

Moreover, for folks that don't raid, the expert roulette being limited to the most recent two dungeons keeps some focus on the dungeons likely to drop more useful gear for those folks, meaning they can run those dungeons more readily (as there's a separate pool dedicated to filling parties out for specifically those dungeons).

I get tired of the same two dungeons in Expert roulette myself as an expansion ages, but I can absolutely see reasons for this from a design standpoint.

I'm wondering if maybe they could have made 80/90 Roulette and then adjusted Expert to be the last 4 or 5 most recently released dungeons. As we got new dungeons, older ones would retire to the 80/90 roulette but still keep Expert there for that double dip on endgame dungeons as you mentioned. I roll my eyes when things go down to 2 but like someone else I remember Always Reap (though my favorite had to be Never Not Neverreap) so I've always just kind of rolled with it. But it would be nice if they could consider some options that maintain the variety. Though 9 times out of 10 lately I get Stigma anyway (though I love that dungeon so I'm really not complaining there) so even with variety sometimes it's just the luck of the draw.

[Darthgummibear]

This is actually why I stopped doing the expert roulette in SHB after I had the glams I wanted. The dragon one wasn't too bad, but that Matoya one was just awful to do ad nauseum, and I dread getting that dungeon in my 50/60/etc roulette now because of it.

[BRVV]

Absolutely. That's the whole purpose of its storyline.

FFXIV has one of the most happy stories i know. In that dungeon death and disease as well as things like mercy killings are just said not shown and we don't even have to do anything bad.

Stories that are way more depressing than FFXIV off the top of my head:
1) Games:
- Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor
- Final Fantasy X
- Silent Hill 2
- Persona 3
2) Shows:
- Elfenlied
- Ajin
- Invincible
- American Horror Story (all)

[Greyhawk]

The duties listed within Duty Roulette: Expert have been changed as follows:


The Dead Ends
Smileton
The Stigma Dreamscape
Alzadaal's Legacy

Alzadaal's Legacy
The Fell Court of Troia

Very disappointing. We're back to 2 dungeon Expert roulettes.

They listen to some things but are deaf on many others. This was a complaint all throughout Shadowbringers.

I would like to see all current expansion Level cap normal dungeons be included in the Expert Roulette. I do not want to see them cycled out.

2 options just makes this roulette a miserable grind to do. There's no variety. We saw this at its worst in Shadowbringers.

This is absolutely nothing new. This has been a thing longer than you've joined the forum. If you don't like to do the Expert dungeion listing after the patch, then don't queue for it. Queue for the one where those will be.

[Asako]

Ah Expert roulette, the worst roulette in the game. Personally I don't care too much about this, it's always been the same, they've no intention of fixing the system that people have complained about for years even though there has always been a simple fix.

All they have to do is make it drop gear tokens that you can spend at a vendor to buy whatever piece you need. This gets around the ilvl problem of gear drops as you can always get something useful no matter what dungeon you get.

Serious question though. Does anyone actually enjoy doing dungeons in this game? They are absolutely miserable. Trash pulls have to be the worst thing in the game.

[Iscah]

All they have to do is make it drop gear tokens that you can spend at a vendor to buy whatever piece you need. This gets around the ilvl problem of gear drops as you can always get something useful no matter what dungeon you get.

Those already exist. They're called tomestones.

[Picker]

Gonna miss nice n easy 10 minute smileton runs, but good riddance dead ends