Live Letter Thoughts

[Alleo]

I guess people don't try to enjoy a good last meal before heading off to war ever.

You have such a one track mind lol

There is even a history record (and movies about it) that in World War I the three armies in the thrench stopped their fighting on christmas, made a truce and bascially celebrated christmas together. Exchanging food, singing together, playing soccer and so on. Afterwards these soldiers had to be changed out because they did not want to fight the other sides anymore.

And recently with the Ukraine you have countless of videos of soldiers and the common people that are having fun while the war is going on. A young person playing the piano while the warning bells go off. Soldiers playing music to other people. Even a soldier doing a silly dance because he and his friends got Pizza to eat.

So I agree with you Valkyrie, this makes perfectly sense, especially since the Final days did not even start at that point.

And about the burgers themselves (From Wikipedia)
As versions of the meal have been served for over a century, its origin remains ambiguous.The popular book The Art of Cookery Made Plain and Easy by Hannah Glasse included a recipe in 1758 as "Hamburgh sausage", which suggested to serve it "roasted with toasted bread under it". A similar snack was also popular in Hamburg by the name "Rundstück warm" ("bread roll warm") in 1869 or earlier, and supposedly eaten by many emigrants on their way to America, but may have contained roasted beefsteak rather than Frikadeller. Hamburg steak is reported to have been served between two pieces of bread on the Hamburg America Line, which began operations in 1847. Each of these may mark the invention of the Hamburger, and explain the name.

Hamburgers are typically sold at fast-food restaurants, diners, and specialty and high-end restaurants. There are many international and regional variations of hamburgers.

I marked the high-end restaurant because these are not just sold at McDonalds.

[aveyond-dreams]

This still doesn't justify the cartoonish way in which that scene was depicted and how out of place it was in the MSQ. I hope and pray that we get sent off to the 13th and as far away from any modern aesthetics or any potential setting or scenario that might give way to more out of place slice-of-life scenes. Let us go fight demons, see gods warring against each other - I didn't come to FFXIV to be sat down in a classroom by day and have Uber eats burgers by night.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

When you take a nation known for sending assassins after people in order to safeguard its grip on the knowledge it has hoarded into a college town with a burger joint, I find that to be disrespectful to the setting and something that severely damaged my experience going through the story.

Where was the burger joint and What was it called? Tell me why it is there, and why its a problem it exists.
You are literally flailing at this point, you feel disrespected over nothing.
And I dont like to put you down, but the more you go on, the more unhinged you sound to the point of lunacy.

[aveyond-dreams]

Forgive me for expecting a gripping, thematically appropriate setting to accompany the expansion set against the backdrop of the apocalypse. With the Last Stand in Sharlayan and a currently unnamed cafe set to open in Ultima Thule, it seems that everything that helped me get immersed and invested in this world is being shut away in favor of things that do not fit with what Endwalker should have been or what it was advertised as.

Is it any wonder why for many 6.2 represents a crucial moment that determines whether or not they want to carry on through more of this or not? You have fans of the Scions tired of them and wanting new party members along with those of us who didn't like them to begin with, you have fans of the Ancients who disagree with the logic used to paint them as evil or Venat's notion that they would be subject to the fate of the Plenty, you have an ongoing lack of both housing and long lasting battle content, all while Hildibrand and Loporrits get up to their usual shenanigans on the moon - with the former being widely recognized as divisive and therefore kept in an optional questline not tied to player power until for some reason they decided to tie him into the Relic.

Final Fantasy XIV needs to do better and figure out just what sort of game it wants to be moving forward. A well-crafted fantasy adventure, as the MSQ portions of the trailer would suggest, or a game with no clear identity if we take into consideration the things we saw in the 6.0 MSQ and continued push for "light-heartedness" everywhere. I have a feeling that those who defend such things would not be so turned off by the game should it adopt a more serious and nuanced approached to storytelling while those of us who would like a more focused experience are growing more and more tired of the inappropriate use of this light-heartedness coupled our favorite characters and settings being done away with one after the other.

Rather than continuing to go along with those who are fine with the status quo, I think that it is time to work towards restoring the confidence of the players they stand to lose after what has happened with this game in the past 8 months.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Forgive me for expecting a gripping, thematically appropriate setting to accompany the expansion set against the backdrop of the apocalypse. With the Last Stand in Sharlayan and a currently unnamed cafe set to open in Ultima Thule, it seems that everything that helped me get immersed and invested in this world is being shut away in favor of things that do not fit with what Endwalker should have been or what it was advertised as.

Is it any wonder why for many 6.2 represents a crucial moment that determines whether or not they want to carry on through more of this or not? You have fans of the Scions tired of them and wanting new party members along with those of us who didn't like them to begin with, you have fans of the Ancients who disagree with the logic used to paint them as evil or Venat's notion that they would be subject to the fate of the Plenty, you have an ongoing lack of both housing and long lasting battle content, all while Hildibrand and Loporrits get up to their usual shenanigans on the moon - with the former being widely recognized as divisive and therefore kept in an optional questline not tied to player power until for some reason they decided to tie him into the Relic.

Final Fantasy XIV needs to do better and figure out just what sort of game it wants to be moving forward. A well-crafted fantasy adventure, as the MSQ portions of the trailer would suggest, or a game with no clear identity if we take into consideration the things we saw in the 6.0 MSQ and continued push for "light-heartedness" everywhere.

......Good you know its called the Last Stand. Now, what was the point of its creation, and why is that a Problem.
My dude, nobody really cares that you would have preferred some things to different, many will even agree on some points. Its not offensive to say Endwalker kind of overhyped itself and didnt live up to some expectation, or wasnt as dark as they would have liked. This, Isn't, the Problem.

Your problem is you wanna come up and make statements that FFXIV will fail if they dont do things your way and how you feel they should be. Always bringing up other games and how they do their stuff, and say FFXIV needs to be like that. And then you go on massive rants about a character eating a Hamburger. And you start saying dumb things like Calling the Last Stand a McDonalds / a Burger Joint; devaluing and ignoring what it actually is, and acting like its a Game-Destroying event that there is any level of light-heartedness.
FFXIV knows exactly what it is, I think you are the one that needs to figure that out.

[SannaR]

I feel as though the one instance we get of assassins from there is an outlier. Also we knew the Studium was a thing and that it was a school. The part of the Scions that were part of the circle of Knowing all attended it. It's funny how you nitpick and continously bring up that scene but not the other eating scenes. The burger happens before the Final Days starts. Yet after we learn that the towers can be taken down. Just because we know that everything is going to need to go to hell in a handbasket doesn't mean the characters know that soon after that scene it would.

We also have an eating scene right after Vrtra ended up choosing to no longer hide behind the half truth about the Saltrap. Mulling over what we know about the original Final Days and why there's a difference between why the changes by Dynamis affected what it affected.

We then again have another eating scene later on. That's part of a string of what would fit under your own label of filler mini quests. Would you still dislike that scene if it was Mist Beard somehow in Sharlyean eating that cheeseburger?

[aveyond-dreams]

Well let's see, because I have a generally good track record of being correct about how some things would go down such as the introduction of gender-locked and limited races, trying to push Eureka on a playerbase that was largely averse to such gameplay (most of whose design issues thankfully being corrected once Bozja released), and nowadays the trend of subverting expectations even when it isn't appropriate in terms of both writing and content.

Time has often proved me right, and I would like for my suggestions to be considered given these circumstances. Choosing to not listen to the players who are voicing their concerns will, in fact, lead to the game's downfall whether they be issues with content, gameplay, writing, or any other aspects I haven't yet mentioned. You might not care about these things but I do, and I will continue to push the issue because I feel that this and others are important ones that need to be resolved so that this game can have a successful next 10 years instead of driving away its fans.

No one here wants to see FFXIV go the way of WoW. But if they don't start listening then people will start leaving and with how many titles are about to release in the coming year there's a chance that someone who has been here since day 1 of ARR might not come back. Soul Hackers 2 is releasing the same week as 6.2, then there's Diofield, Crisis Core, FFXVI, and so on. If FFXIV wants to bill itself as a full-fledged single player experience then it will have to meet the bar set by those and other games. Right now, the burgers and light-heartedness aren't helping it reach that goal.

I hope that 6.2 manages to restore my confidence in the main story at least but only time will tell if the same will be true for Pandaemonium or Myths of the Realm.

[tokinokanatae]

I feel obligated to once again point out that the dinner scene takes place very early in the expac, before the Final Days are even retriggered. We'd just cleared the Tower in Thavnair. People like to characterize it as happening later on, after the Final Days have started up again, as though we're grabbing a bite to eat while people are turning into Blasphemies, but that's far from the case.

It's very clear that the issue isn't the scene, it's the characters in it and the fact that people like one character in particular.

[aveyond-dreams]

I feel obligated to once again point out that the dinner scene takes place very early in the expac, before the Final Days are even retriggered. We'd just cleared the Tower in Thavnair. People like to characterize it as happening later on, after the Final Days have started up again, as though we're grabbing a bite to eat while people are turning into Blasphemies, but that's far from the case.

It's very clear that the issue isn't the scene, it's the characters in it and the fact that people like one character in particular.

And early on in Shadowbringers we had an inn room rather than a dormitory, saw multitudes of people die rather than get saved by a teleportation spell, and were treated by far more compelling cinematics like our journey through the rift and a brief vision of Minfilia halting the flood of light. Opening with burgers in Endwalker did not hold to the standards set by Shadowbringers, and didn't make for a very strong start.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

And early on in Shadowbringers we had an inn room rather than a dormitory, saw multitudes of people die rather than get saved by a teleportation spell, and were treated by far more compelling cinematics like our journey through the rift and a brief vision of Minfilia halting the flood of light. Opening with burgers in Endwalker did not hold to the standards set by Shadowbringers, and didn't make for a very strong start.

Says you. I rather enjoyed endwalker.

You are not the sole owner of standards of this game.


Also, again, I'd like to point out that you can, in fact, play XIV, enjoy it, and also play other games, and enjoy them. Crisis core remake will not stop me from enjoying XIV, even though I will play it. You seem to be a 1 game person. I am not.