AF gear already "obsolte"

[Delsus]

All U/U gear can be beaten by melded gear, its what people asked for, everyone said (before materia) that crafting was useless because all U/U gear was better than crafting gear, so SE made materia and double/triple melds > U/U.

It has been the case since materia was released, SE cannot win with this, if they make U/U gear overpowered crafters will complain, if they make crafted gear over powered we get people who like endgame and AF complaining.

Pretty much no balancing will fix this.

[Geesus]

All U/U gear can be beaten by melded gear, its what people asked for, everyone said (before materia) that crafting was useless because all U/U gear was better than crafting gear, so SE made materia and double/triple melds > U/U.

It has been the case since materia was released, SE cannot win with this, if they make U/U gear overpowered crafters will complain, if they make crafted gear over powered we get people who like endgame and AF complaining.

Pretty much no balancing will fix this.

This is so true but that was before as you mentioned. So they knew going in this could be an issue so it should have been prepared as such to be at least in some regards "better". Crafted gear should only do so much to be better. Not everyone will want AF gear because they don't like how it looks; always some fashionista in a game that wants to "look good" rather than "live" or "be effective" in their role. >.<

For example, there isn't any or very much in the way of crafted gear for drops and currently no "AF" gear that's for sure for DoH/DoL so in this regard, crafted then slotted DoH/DoL gear SHOULD be ubber but, if something eventually happens that they get "AF" type gear, that gear should work to be better or at least make sense to be better than crafted DoH/DoL jobs.

[Zantetsuken]

All U/U gear can be beaten by melded gear.

If by "beaten" you mean equal or better, I would say that 1.21 has nullified that argument.

Materia is restricted to certain gear parts and cannot grant specific ability bonuses. Thus, there is no way to replicate most AF or Darklight gear.

Try this: pick a random Darklight or AF piece, then try to make something equal or better via a combination of 3x materia and crafted gear...

[Delsus]

Since Materia is restricted to certain gear parts and cannot grant Ability bonuses, it's not that difficult.

There is no way to replicate most AF or Darklight gear.

Try this: pick a Darklight piece, then try to make something equal or better via a combination of 3x materia and crafted gear. It's not easy.

Not in one slot, but if you 3x meld all your gear you can beat it, lets say you get lucky (or spend alot of gil) highest att power+ materia is +30, 3x meld that to hands and you have +90 att power, highest str is +20, 3x that to your weapon is +60, crit att power+ triple meld that on body (+50 each) is +150.

Thats:
att power+90
STR+60
crit att power+ 150

and PUG, GLA and ARC can put 3x INT or PIE on thier head, making +60 to those.

Beats darklight hands down.
ACC and DEX isnt really needed because we hardly miss anyway.

[Colino]

ACC and DEX isnt really needed because we hardly miss anyway.

ACC isn't, but if I'm not mistaken DEX is a damage modifier on most of the ARC (and BRDs) skills, so it's always useful to have.

[Delsus]

ACC isn't, but if I'm not mistaken DEX is a damage modifier on most of the ARC (and BRDs) skills, so it's always useful to have.

Ok then dont know much about ARC, take the STR off your weapon and add DEX (all classes have 2 damage modifiers) and it still beats darklight hands down

[Meatdawg]

Not in one slot, but if you 3x meld all your gear you can beat it, lets say you get lucky (or spend alot of gil) highest att power+ materia is +30, 3x meld that to hands and you have +90 att power, highest str is +20, 3x that to your weapon is +60, crit att power+ triple meld that on body (+50 each) is +150.

Thats:
att power+90
STR+60
crit att power+ 150

and PUG, GLA and ARC can put 3x INT or PIE on thier head, making +60 to those.

Beats darklight hands down.
ACC and DEX isnt really needed because we hardly miss anyway.

You understand the odds and cost of doing that lol?

Lets just say you have a better chance of darklight dropping....

[Molly_Millions]

You understand the odds and cost of doing that lol?

Lets just say you have a better chance of darklight dropping....

Imo, this topic should revolve around only the particular pieces that suck ass, not af as a whole. For example, the WAR set is quite nice. Triple melds should beat AF because they are UBER-rare. We were told af would beat single melded gear at least, and one could reason that the quote above includes double melds as well. For the PLD set, every piece can be beaten by a single meld when you consider actual usefulness and not just looking at the numbers.

[Meatdawg]

Imo, this topic should revolve around only the particular pieces that suck ass, not af as a whole. For example, the WAR set is quite nice. Triple melds should beat AF because they are UBER-rare. We were told af would beat single melded gear at least, and one could reason that the quote above includes double melds as well. For the PLD set, every piece can be beaten by a single meld when you consider actual usefulness and not just looking at the numbers.

Well that is because right now HP > anything else when tanking.

Unfortunately, SE believes a PLD should tank by holding hate with heals. Hence all the MND and +healing stats.

What SE thinks is good gear/stats doesn't always reflect what the community agrees with.

[Molly_Millions]

Unfortunately, SE believes a PLD should tank by holding hate with heals. Hence all the MND and +healing stats.

What SE thinks is good gear/stats doesn't always reflect what the community agrees with.

It could work if each piece gave you hundreds more MP, but you just need to look at mp costs to see why 40 mp on a piece is ineffective.