Rescue is Griefing

[Padudu]

How do I kick the person who pulls me into ancient flare on LoTA? It's the last fight of the raid so by the time combat finishes and I'm able to kick again the duty is over.
How do I kick someone who pulls me into the pit on Dhon Mheg? It's the same situation, last boss fight and there's no chance to kick them until after the duty is over because that's the last fight in the duty when most troll rescues happen.
What about in Trials? there's no opportunity to kick in those unless the group wipes.
In most of these cases, kicking isn't an option, you just have to tough it out with an actively malicious player who can pull you to your death or into a mechanic every 2 minutes if they feel like it. There's absolutely no recourse for a player who's falling victim to it when it's being abused.

What the fuck are you doing to be rescue griefed so much? How is it that you're getting rescue griefed like 85% more than the entire XIV population lol? Maybe at some point it's just you

[VerdeLuck]

What the fuck are you doing to be rescue griefed so much? How is it that you're getting rescue griefed like 85% more than the entire XIV population lol? Maybe at some point it's just you

I'm just playing the game, usually on tank when it happens. It's my fault that people decide they want to be trolls and yank me around?

[Asako]

I'm just playing the game, usually on tank when it happens. It's my fault that people decide they want to be trolls and yank me around?

It must be, I'd love to know what it is you experience in your gameplay. Being rescued by a healer is an extremely rare occurance, even rarer for it to be to your detriment. Sure it can happen but it is one of the most rare occurances in the game. I would love to see gameplay evidence of this if it is happening often to you.

[Absurdity]

It must be, I'd love to know what it is you experience in your gameplay. Being rescued by a healer is an extremely rare occurance, even rarer for it to be to your detriment. Sure it can happen but it is one of the most rare occurances in the game. I would love to see gameplay evidence of this if it is happening often to you.

It's probably even rarer to get rescued on a tank because most healers know that even if you get hit by a mechanic you're not gonna die.

[Padudu]

I'm just playing the game, usually on tank when it happens. It's my fault that people decide they want to be trolls and yank me around?

Dude I mained tank for literally the longest time when I started this game, had no idea how to play tank, and even finished EW as tank. I cannot recall a single time I've ever been griefed by like.. anyone. And the one time I did have a problem the party votekicked.

Do you know the saying "if you think everyone around you is the jerk, it might be time to reevaluate your own behavior?" yeah, that might apply here lol. I literally cannot see why you would be getting rescue griefed so much if there wasn't already beef between you and the healer

[Packetdancer]

What the fuck are you doing to be rescue griefed so much? How is it that you're getting rescue griefed like 85% more than the entire XIV population lol? Maybe at some point it's just you

I suspect that even if people believe they are Rescue-trolled four out of every five duties they queue into, the reality is probably nowhere close to that. Even when I'm not playing the healer, I don't see Rescue used at all that frequently, much less to troll.

However. It is worth noting that human beings are notoriously bad at actually judging percentage/frequency of things at the best of times, and even worse if the scenario is in any way an emotionally charged one. They've done studies on this.

If you run 15 duties in the space of 3 days, and have Rescue used on you in even two of them, two months later, likely all you'll remember is "I got Rescue used on me more than once in a really short time." and over time it inflates in your mind to be way more frequent. So while I'm sure some folks are exaggerating the frequency for dramatic effect, I also have no doubt others genuinely believe it to be as frequent as they suggest it is.

However, I suspect that anyone who genuinely believes it happens to them in, like, 4 out of every 5 things they run... if they kept a spreadsheet for a week, just one line each time they have "Duty Commenced", and when finished they put a checkmark next to it if they had Rescue used on them? I suspect they'd be genuinely surprised at the percentage being far lower than they thought.

And sure, in some cases I can write it off as "maybe things are different in that data center", but VerdeLuck (for instance) is in Primal with me, and I genuinely have to think back really hard to when I last had Rescue used on me. And while, yes, I am a healer main -- which means generally I am the determining factor on whether or not Rescue can be used, or 50% of the determining factor in larger group content -- I finished leveling all my healers ages ago, and so I've been running mostly non-healer jobs for the past 2-ish months outside of actual stuff-with-the-static as I leveled everything else to 90. And I can't think of any instance of Rescue being used on me in that time, save for once when someone fat-fingered the button and apologized profusely in party chat immediately afterwards.

If we start to remove features like rescue because of griefing, we better start with chat.

I mean...

[1. WAR] { Hello! }
[1. WAR] { Push the crystal! }
[2. SGE] { Push the crystal! }

[ ...match ends with loss, half the team having been in Narnia for the entire time... ]

[4. DRG] { Nice job! }
[4. DRG] { Nice job! }
[4. DRG] { Nice job! }
[4. DRG] { Nice job! }
[4. DRG] { Nice job! }
[4. DRG] { Nice job! }
[4. DRG] { Nice job! }
[4. DRG] { Nice job! }
[4. DRG] { Nice job! }
[4. DRG] { Thank you! }
* DRG has left the instance.

[HyoMinPark]

True, in truth if someone asked me to stop pulling because a healer was using rescue to kill people I most likely would let it go unless for some reason it lead to a wipe. Generally even with someone AFK most the time I just go vroom vrooom and just speed blitz everything I rarely wait out the timer for a kick tbh. Not worth the time imo rather just carry the dead weight and be on my Mary way.

I’m petty enough to do /sit and wait out loot timers to kick people that are leeching. Or help organize an entire alliance-wide wipe like I did last night in Orbonne for a BLM that decided he deserved his Moogle Tomes for free. I can’t stand leechers and deadweights.

How is it that you're getting rescue griefed like 85% more than the entire XIV population lol? Maybe at some point it's just you

Well, you know what they say: if everyone around you smells like poo, perhaps you should check the bottom of your own shoe.

That said, I think they just have a negative bias and are blowing the actual amount of times they’ve been Rescued with an intention to grief way out of proportion. There are people in this thread have have insisted every use of Rescue is griefing “even if the healer was trying to help”, so that may also be the case here, too.

In the four+ years Rescue has been active, I can count on one hand how many times I was rescued by a random healer. I was rescued more by my static’s co-healer during prog to break the healer LB3 animation.

[Bobby66]

I’m petty enough to do /sit and wait out loot timers to kick people that are leeching. Or help organize an entire alliance-wide wipe like I did last night in Orbonne for a BLM that decided he deserved his Moogle Tomes for free. I can’t stand leechers and deadweights.



Well, you know what they say: if everyone around you smells like poo, perhaps you should check the bottom of your own shoe.

That said, I think they just have a negative bias and are blowing the actual amount of times they’ve been Rescued with an intention to grief way out of proportion. There are people in this thread have have insisted every use of Rescue is griefing “even if the healer was trying to help”, so that may also be the case here, too.

In the four+ years Rescue has been active, I can count on one hand how many times I was rescued by a random healer. I was rescued more by my static’s co-healer during prog to break the healer LB3 animation.

More power to ya, I can be petty bur generally I rather do the content and be free from that inner circle of hell.

I get where you are coming from though.

On the topic of the other person even if they get pulled 10 out of 10 runs every 2 min it is still such a small amount in the grand scheme it is kinda zzz to even use their experience as a staple.

[Deole]

I use rescue to yank my friends off cliffs when ever possible…. But hey I’m the healer and we are going to win anyway. I don’t do it in savage raids. But anywhere else sure. People take the game to serious sometimes. Me murdering a friend, it’s my mp that has to raise and cure them back up. I actually got voted out of a run for yanking my gf between byregots fingers.

[Asako]

Aye I wouldn't count when you are running with your mates, one of the ones we run with loves to do it to us but sure if you think you are gonna get yeeted just hit arms length or surecast and you're fine. It's funny when it's with people you know.

In my experience randomers only rescue you because they think you are not safe and you might get hit when you otherwise wouldn't but I wouldn't call that trolling just good intentions. Yeah it is kinda annoying and I wish you could disable it but it's so rare and was just an innocent mistake most of the time so who cares.