Why does everyone complain about STORY based MMO's?

[Voltyblast]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQcRVUlWWc4

Because you get people like Quinn who skip, jump into a fight clueless, complain and then leave the game. I think using a level jumper on another job if you already had a level capped job is fine, but if you're a new account....Nope, shouldn't be a thing.

People who don't like the story will skip, complain, and leave anyway. Gating the game behind the story will not change anything in terms of skill level and knowledge of the story if they don't care about either. And that is already happening considering we even got a "very easy" option in MSQ fights. That didn't happen when I played.

If anything I never understood one thing: why not allow the new players the choice to jump right at the final expansion with a jumping potion, just like how wow gives a free level boost potion if you pre order? It's an option anyway, it's not like you must, but at the very least you have the option to start high and catch up with your friends and get to a proper level. There's NG+ feature now so if they want the option to revisit the story is open.

There are unlimited ways to make gating more accessible and less rigid. But instead they're selling the solution via potion. Even a friend who had to start fresh started to get tired and had to leave because he got tired of the story. And he's a big lover of stories in games, he even replayed each class in swtor...TWICE!

Edit: it's a shame they're starting to lock stuff in game but it's probably not going to be as restrictive as this game. Plus your choice still matter and it's fun to do a light-sided Sith or a dark force jedi

[Ransu]

People who don't skip and stick it out are more likely to stick around than people who immediately skip and rush to end game. FFXIV isn't WoW, its not about rushing to end game. So yes, I feel the current system is perfectly fine. If you want to skip everything then I 100% would never recommend this game and quite frankly I don't want those kind of players playing this game. They can go back to WoW.

The clip I posted is less about skill and more about how people act when they skip. Quin knows how to raid in MMO's, but he didn't know the basic concepts of FFXIV's mechanics that even if you did rush through story you would still learn simple things like why heals would have done nothing in that scenario. Skipping generally brings that type of attitude, and leads to players less likely to stick around.

[Tlamila]

If you want to skip everything then I 100% would never recommend this game and quite frankly I don't want those kind of players playing this game. They can go back to WoW.

Too bad for you, those people have been playing the game this whole time and quite frankly, you don't really get to decide who plays the game.
I'd also prefer not to have elitists who think not caring about msq is a capital crime, but here we are. We can't all get what we want.
You also don't get to decide who plays WoW (why does it have to always be WoW, some of you seem so obsessed with that game that I wonder if you should be the one playing it), though they probably appreciate your vain efforts to try and increase their revenue and playerbase.

[HyoMinPark]

People who don't skip and stick it out are more likely to stick around than people who immediately skip and rush to end game.

Do you have any proof of this? Because it’s also true that people have quit this game well before getting to endgame due to the sheer length of the MSQ. A lot of people still fall off in ARR despite the “condensing” they did not too long ago. Skipping or not skipping is no definitive indicator if someone will stick to the game or not. Some people don’t care about the story and just want to do endgame content and that is perfectly fine. Coming from someone who loves the story enough to have multiple alts that I’ve done it on AND do NG+, I’m not offended if someone skips it. Not up to me to dictate if they do it or not.

FFXIV isn't WoW, its not about rushing to end game. So yes, I feel the current system is perfectly fine. If you want to skip everything then I 100% would never recommend this game and quite frankly I don't want those kind of players playing this game. They can go back to WoW.

Obligatory “this isn’t WoW”/“go back to WoW” strawman. All this nonsense “argument” does is make your post look silly.

The clip I posted is less about skill and more about how people act when they skip. Quin knows how to raid in MMO's, but he didn't know the basic concepts of FFXIV's mechanics that even if you did rush through story you would still learn simple things like why heals would have done nothing in that scenario. Skipping generally brings that type of attitude, and leads to players less likely to stick around.

And yet, as I said to you, you have players who do not skip that whine and complain about the same things. Do they get a free pass to whine at healers for not healing a OHKO or for not knowing how to play their jobs simply because they went through the MSQ without skipping? Again, you’re making a lot of assumptions without any real evidence simply because you’re biased.

[NekoMataMata]

I have never seen, that "western players" complain about the story length. They complain about the representation aka too many and too long cut scenes. They want play a game and not watch a movie.


Cheers

Someone else actually jumping right to the heart of the manner? Everyone clap please.

Level skips exist, but those are for people that actually don't want the story at all. Not the people that enjoy the story, just not how the story is organized or laid out.

I played through the game twice. Once through ShB on an older account, and then once all the way from ARR to EW again. I enjoyed every cutscene, I really did. The story while it might have issues(debatable, but let's not talk about that) is still pretty good. However, this game is unfortunately very unengaging due to how a lot of the story is laid out through simple chatbox dialogue or cutscenes. There were some days that I'd essentially just get comfortable and relax 100% because the most I was going to be doing was moving between npcs(or doing the typical video game menial chores) for more dialogue/cutscenes.

Part of being a game rather than a movie is the player's involvement. One of the things that really helped this game was during and from SB onward they started putting in this fun(debatable to most people) segments where you play as other characters. To me this was a great way of getting the player involved while still telling the story about what was happening elsewhere, instead of having to have it recapped to you later via cutscene or chatbox dialogue. I can even think of some really cool places earlier on in the game where this would help out immensely(for example, during HW instead of watching Ravana fight Ysayle as Shiva you're given control of her and you get to participate that way).

But most people on this thread will likely tell me off for saying this.

[Dubolomus]

I created a new character on Alpha and now I'm taking my time going through the game. I like the story, including ARR (and I think that part of it was removed in vain). I like side quests and how stories from them sometimes appear in other quests. I love this game and enjoy it.

[Larirawiel]

I played through the game twice. Once through ShB on an older account, and then once all the way from ARR to EW again. I enjoyed every cutscene, I really did. The story while it might have issues(debatable, but let's not talk about that) is still pretty good. However, this game is unfortunately very unengaging due to how a lot of the story is laid out through simple chatbox dialogue or cutscenes. There were some days that I'd essentially just get comfortable and relax 100% because the most I was going to be doing was moving between npcs(or doing the typical video game menial chores) for more dialogue/cutscenes.

I played the game also almost twice for my alt on Crystal. And i disagree with the threadstarter, that the players complain about the story length. I never experienced it ingame or in the forums. But i have seen some complaints about too many and too long cutscenes. But it is also tight to Endwalker and not to the previous expansions. And yes, i also felt it, that it shifted to watching instead of playing.

Part of being a game rather than a movie is the player's involvement. One of the things that really helped this game was during and from SB onward they started putting in this fun(debatable to most people) segments where you play as other characters. To me this was a great way of getting the player involved while still telling the story about what was happening elsewhere, instead of having to have it recapped to you later via cutscene or chatbox dialogue. I can even think of some really cool places earlier on in the game where this would help out immensely(for example, during HW instead of watching Ravana fight Ysayle as Shiva you're given control of her and you get to participate that way).

But most people on this thread will likely tell me off for saying this.

I also like it when i can temporarily play other characters. But from my experience, i know, that many other players hate it. And it is not only a FF14 thing. In WoW, there is a dungeon called "The Oculus". At the end, you have to ride a dragon and you get completely different abilities. And you have to navigate in 3D because you are flying. It is too overhelming for many players. It happened very often, that when the DF selected "The Oculus" as a random dungeon, that two players immediately left. You got a 30 minutes penalty when you left a dungeon. But for many players it was the lesser evil than riding a dragon. Blizzard has never made such dungeons again.

And in FF14 they nerfed quests like "Out in the cold" drastically. It is very easy now.


Cheers

[Stanazolol]

Too much of the story is a boring snooze fest. There are a few big pay off moments, but the vast majority of it is a slog, especially pre shadowbringers. People get in the habit of skipping and I dont blame them.

[vetch]

FFXIV isn't WoW, its not about rushing to end game.

lmao. FF14 rushes you to endgame harder than 90% of MMOs. The MSQ will give you enough XP, free gear, and easy combat that you never need to do a sidequest, never need to unlock an optional leveling dungeon, never need to craft a piece of armor, never need to re-run an MSQ dungeon for more loot.

You think because you noticed in your tiny sample size of 'two MMOs that both rush you to endgame' that one rushes you slightly faster, that this is a meaningful difference worth picking sides and being snotty to people over.

[Irenia]

lmao. FF14 rushes you to endgame harder than 90% of MMOs. The MSQ will give you enough XP, free gear, and easy combat that you never need to do a sidequest, never need to unlock an optional leveling dungeon, never need to craft a piece of armor, never need to re-run an MSQ dungeon for more loot.

You think because you noticed in your tiny sample size of 'two MMOs that both rush you to endgame' that one rushes you slightly faster, that this is a meaningful difference worth picking sides and being snotty to people over.

Not if you are a new player.

I haven't played WoW, but I have looked into the new player experience quite a while back.

Now my memory is foggy, so anyone more familiar can speak up, but WoW does not care about it's legacy content at all. It's there to be blasted through to get to new content to the point once you were ready for the current expansion it would put you at the expansion start.

Like, could you imagine FF just dropping you at the start of Endwalker as soon as you hit 80? It seems absurd currently because the game loves its legacy content so much.

FF definitely does not rush the new player to max level.