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  1. #41
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    Reinhardt_Azureheim's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Llynethil View Post
    If you think balancing around a 5v5 escort the objective style map and using it exactly the same in a 24v24v24 scenario is fine, you couldn't be more wrong.

    For example take smite, it's balanced around ranked 5v5 and even the other 5v5 modes have different metas and some characters who are mediocre in ranked are op in the some other mode because of their kit, in case of ff14 bahamut is prob the best example, it's not that bad in CC but it's insanely good in frontline because of how the matchup works and how you can stack multiples, or the cover exploit from paladin in onsai right now.
    Looking it from a developer's standpoint, creating separate kits simply make no sense, especially not if the budget on pvp is still limited.

    The problems you are describing are very real, I am not saying they are not. However they are taking measures trying to make the 5v5 kit work in 24v24v24 by adding the various damage and resistence modifiers. The results vary, some got shafted too hard and some got way too much of a bonus from this.

    Regarding the Bahamut example - it is bound to happen that different gamemodes will benefit certain classes / characters more depending on the game and kit. Of course Bahamut is going to be more lethal if you can drop multiple in a location with a huge radius - on the flipside, this is also what makes Frontlines what it is, a largescale fight, for better or worse.

    Things that I would address would be the frequency of LB between combat engagements, as passive LB generation is part of the bigger issue why Paladins can cycle LBs on Onsal Hakair without ever having to go crazy on enemies to charge their LB. Same applies to the Bahamut bombing situation, or WHM laser shows or you name it really.

    TL;DR: The fundamental issue is passive LB generation and them having to figure out the right tweaking of damage numbers for largescale fights, not the kits themselves. The one thing that DOES need rather immediate fixing though is the interaction of touching an objective while under the effect of Cover.
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  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Hotbar a macro to both mark a target and place the callout in chat.
    Would you mind sharing your macro? I forgot how to integrate PvP quickchat in macros. Thus far I have been simply pressing Mark1 and Quickchat separately, which is pretty akward.
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    Last edited by Petite; 08-12-2022 at 05:31 AM.

  3. #43
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petite View Post
    Would you mind sharing your macro? I forgot how to integrate PvP quickchat in macros. Thus far I have been simply pressing Mark1 and Quickchat separately, which is pretty akward.
    /micon "Attacking Target" quickchat
    /quickchat "Attacking Target"
    /mk attack1 <t>
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    Yo, I take it back, Reaper is OP !

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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGeeko View Post
    Yo, I take it back, Reaper is OP !

    Nice job bro! Glad you having fun with Reaper! Damage numbers may fluctuate a bit if you have tougher opponents, but you can still be a menace if done right. Keep it up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
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    Thanks!

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    I suggest you also look at HP restored because that's a pretty neat thing about RPR that's never talked about. Crest is great.

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    Last edited by Petite; 08-12-2022 at 12:48 PM.

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petite View Post
    To be fair, most of the time, these "white knights" are simply shutting down arguments coming from people atop Dunning Kruger's Mt. Stupid.

    Ah yes, The DKE. The go to argument for bad game developers when they don't want to expend any effort or capital to fix their poorly designed MMR systems.

    In truth, the DKE has no scientific ground whatsoever and is basically used as a fancy way to say "Git Gud!"
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    Last edited by JamieRose; 08-13-2022 at 07:40 AM.

  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieRose View Post
    In truth, the DKE has no scientific ground whatsoever and is basically used as a fancy way to say "Git Gud!"
    Yup, I knew that and you got the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieRose View Post
    Ah yes, The DKE. The go to argument for bad game developers when they don't want to expend any effort or capital to fix their poorly designed MMR systems.

    In truth, the DKE has no scientific ground whatsoever and is basically used as a fancy way to say "Git Gud!"
    Your imaginary perfect MMR system, are you refers to that Diablo Immortal whale who has highest MMR that end up system can not pair him to any one?
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