Pvp is perfectly balanced as is.....

[Petite]

PS -in regards to cruising.... i dont believe you to be brutally honest.

I just noticed your edit.

I feel you're calling me a liar with that comment. So here's a screen of my alt's current ranking and of my two best matches while climbing to diamond to show I carry my own weight.



So yes, cruising. To boot, I got diamond from unranked about 7 wins faster on RPR than I did my first time around on DRG.

Final words: Sure, RPR could use a peck on the cheek from SE, but stop acting like it's missing a leg ffs.

[Osmond]

Famitsu w/ yoshi - On CC, the devs plan to improve the Season ranking rewards since there was feedback that these have been underwhelming. There are also plans for an official tournament. The devs are currently fairly pleased with the job balance based on Season 2 data.

Wow....guess yall were right anyone not climbing is just trash since all jobs are perfectly balanced as is

…………………just because yoshi and the devs says that it’s fine, that doesn’t mean that it is. You CANNOT perfectly balance PvP. It’s literally impossible.

[Konfined]

I just noticed your edit.

I feel you're calling me a liar with that comment. So here's a screen of my alt's current ranking and of my two best matches while climbing to diamond to show I carry my own weight .
So yes, cruising. To boot, I got diamond from unranked about 7 matches faster on RPR than I did my first time around on DRG.

Final words: Sure, RPR could use a peck on the cheek from SE, but stop acting like it's missing a leg ffs.

I really need to pick your brain, and soak up game; rotation, strategy, mindset, the works. I'm stuck at hovering at Gold. I all but called it quits this season; coping in casual; crying into my Cookies And Cream. I know the who- it's me- I just can't figure out the what and the why, and the how to fix it.

[GordonGeeko]

I'll never understand the mindset of sticking to one job in PVP because you "main" it in PVE. The skills are so completely different that your PVE experience does not matter one bit.

Just play something else if that job is currently underwhelming in PVP. That's like in old PVP if you were a "red mage" main and you stuck with it in PVP. You're kind of shooting yourself in the foot there.

[Petite]

I really need to pick your brain, and soak up game; rotation, strategy, mindset, the works. I'm stuck at hovering at Gold. I all but called it quits this season; coping in casual; crying into my Cookies And Cream. I know the who- it's me- I just can't figure out the what and the why, and the how to fix it.

I'd be happy to help out. I'm not at home right now though, so I can't send you the little RPR infograph I keep for myself. Might I suggest you let me know your discord ID? Or better yet, meet me at 21:30 EST this evening in Exodus' Wolves' Den (Primal).

…………………just because yoshi and the devs says that it’s fine, that doesn’t mean that it is. You CANNOT perfectly balance PvP. It’s literally impossible.

They never said it was perfect and never will. OP put words in their mouths because he's afraid they'll quit adjusting jobs. They're simply saying balance is in a relatively good state, which I think most of us would agree on. Sure, touches are still needed, but right now, no job is what you'd consider broken, good or bad, like we've previously seen with earlier versions of WHM/RDM/BLM (Twice for BLM lol. Wow what a pendulum).

[Konfined]

I'd be happy to help out. I'm not at home right now though, so I can't send you the little RPR infograph I keep for myself. Might I suggest you let me know your discord ID? Or better yet, meet me at 21:30 EST this evening in Exodus' Wolves' Den (Primal).

Bet. Big thanks. I'm on Hyperion, so it shouldn't be an issue for me to pull up and say hello.

[Llynethil]

I don't necessarily want a buff to bard. I just want the LB to be changed to be something more useful....or even useable at all. The majority of my matches I'm lucky if I even get LB even once. It just takes too long to charge and while its "ok" as a personal LB, you kinda have to hold onto it to benefit your team, especially if a few people have LB's up and it being completely reliant on LoS makes it just a pretty annoying and kinda terrible LB. Even the "bad" LB's on other jobs have a pretty big impact on the play of the match. BRD's LB has for the most part and extremely small impact.

Any buffs to BRD really wouldn't make them broken given how mediocre they are right now in CC (I could care less about frontlines balance) and how they are basically completely reliant on the team. BRD to me is the most fun to play in CC, but my impact on a match is pretty small. Its 100% not a carry job lol. I can burst people during silence decently, but if people are ignoring my marks then my silence burst phase is meaningless.

Also, BRD is pretty easy to deal with in frontlines, so I'm not sure why you think any changes to them would make them broken in frontlines. I usually have 0-1 deaths in frontlines because I know when to run away, but I ain't sitting there in the crowd like a ninja can lol. If I get jumped by the zerg I'm done.

That's just the thing, BRD in frontline (I personally don't give a crap about CC myself) gives 7 other people big damage boosts + lb gauge, that is huge when fighting over objectives there, and it's the perfect kill setup in there as silence is one of the best debuffs on frontline.

Stuns or binds you immediately notice and press cleanse, silence you barely notice because it doesn't take movement away, the amount of melee's I've helped kill in FL is insane due to it, they jump in, expect to press recup when half hp, then by the time they realise they're not getting healed, they're dead.

That makes me way more usefull then playing as DRG, not having anything to lockdown a char with, and just pointlessly press buttons in the hopes he runs out of heals before I do, and I build BH way faster as BRD then as DRG aswell because of it, just keep poking and silencing people for free kills left and right, it's so easy.
If they then make them able to 1v1 people reliably aswell, it's too much, you'll have the power of any other character + team buffs, you can't do that to keep things balanced, you'll just get too much bloat.

[GordonGeeko]

Yeah but scholars can give that same boost every 15 seconds without an LB and astrologians can boost limit breaks as well with cards + their LB is a much better buff allies/debuff enemies.

Bard LB is very underwhelming lol

[Llynethil]

So instead we should have separate skillsets for frontline and CC? And how would this be any better by having to learn essentially two different games and playstyles? If anything, this just screams unintuitive - if I was a new player wanting to learn PvP, I'd find it incredibly dumb to learn two different systems for two different modes.

Frontline has problems, that much is true - but to blame the kits in a vacuum and not in conjunction with inherent flaws of FL map / gamemode design feels shortsighted.

It has not even been a major patch and Rival Wings has also yet to return, you are expecting a perfectly balanced PvP system after replacing a stagnating old one that struggled to get fresh blood into small-scale PvP after four months - that's kinda unhinged if you ask me.

If you think balancing around a 5v5 escort the objective style map and using it exactly the same in a 24v24v24 scenario is fine, you couldn't be more wrong.

For example take smite, it's balanced around ranked 5v5 and even the other 5v5 modes have different metas and some characters who are mediocre in ranked are op in the some other mode because of their kit, in case of ff14 bahamut is prob the best example, it's not that bad in CC but it's insanely good in frontline because of how the matchup works and how you can stack multiples, or the cover exploit from paladin in onsai right now.

[Ransu]

I really need to pick your brain, and soak up game; rotation, strategy, mindset, the works. I'm stuck at hovering at Gold. I all but called it quits this season; coping in casual; crying into my Cookies And Cream. I know the who- it's me- I just can't figure out the what and the why, and the how to fix it.

Hotbar a macro to both mark a target and place the callout in chat. That "mostly" helps with getting your team to focus fire, though its not a sure fire thing. There's also the simple fact of simply knowing when to run away. Spending time running away is always better than spending time respawning. Its all little things. Being aware of when to pop your CD's, when to hold your LB or not and when to engage and when not to engage, when to disengage, diving the back line etc...Its just small things that you have to pick up on. A lot of people will hold their LB for waaaay too long, and some people will just burn it immediately playing hero thinking they can turn that 5v2 around. In some cases it can work like with SAM, but in most cases that's just gonna fail and you're gonna die and now your spawns are staggered. Most losses are due to people not knowing when to disengage and now respawns are staggered which leads to the snowballing.