Sage's skill Pepsis is useless

[IceBlueNinja]

Yes, clearly the answer to literally anything within the healer role is more homogenization. /s

How about just replace Pepsis with something more useful and unique to Sage.

I agree I just want it to be of some type of use. I suggested that cause the infinite complaints on how weak sge shields is over sch ones. other than the shields which you dont even need in savage or below content so am guessing its only ultimate? which I confess I have not ran one you really dont need so much healing since 95% of things are scripted and set a certain way sage overall still has a great healing kit not counting pepsi soteria and krasis I would certainly love a rework.

[Supersnow845]

cause 90% of people wont stop complaining about sage shields being weaker to sch and how inferior it is? its so annoying just leave sage if yall dont like it thats why I just suggest what I suggest, this is the same abuse ast use to got with its dual stances being called a wanna be copied whm/sch but now look how respected as is and is now praised over whm.

You can make SGE’s shields more meaningful without them becoming “deployed e prognosis”

I’ve always said SGE should focus more strongly on mitigation, like eukrasian pneuma should give like 10 seconds of 30% mitigation to rival deployed adlo, something more like that not let’s give SGE deployment tactics

[AnotherPerson]

You can make SGE’s shields more meaningful without them becoming “deployed e prognosis”

I’ve always said SGE should focus more strongly on mitigation, like eukrasian pneuma should give like 10 seconds of 30% mitigation to rival deployed adlo, something more like that not let’s give SGE deployment tactics

What if - give SGE a different Deployment Tactics with different limitations so the mechanical execution will be different, but also adjust Deployment Tactics to be lower cooldown, charge resource, and can be used for spreading DoTs? Both will do the same job, but both will also fulfill a different niche as well when not used for healing.

Hear me out - what if Sage's Eukrasian Prognosis applies 2 stacks of barriers instead, like a mini Panhaima? So instead of healing 420 potency at level 90 (100 potency heal + 320 shield), it just shields twice (250 potency on the first layer + 250 potency on the second layer). So when you use Eukrasian Prognosis, it creates 1 active shield (250 potency), and then 1 untouched shield that will take into effect after the active shield is consumed entirely. The total effective heal potency would be near equivalent to a SCH's Succor (200 potency heal + 320 potency shield = 520 potency heal). You can stack up to 3 Eukrasian Prognosis shield layers at at time to allow using Eukrasian Prognosis back to back if this is your last way to get large amounts of GCD potency in a pinch (1 active shield, 2 untouched shields).

Likewise, Eukrasian Diagnosis will still heal 840 potency, but it will apply 2 shields instead. So instead of being 300 potency heal + 540 potency shield, it becomes 200 potency heal + 320 shield on the first layer + 320 shield on the second layer). When a shield layer is broken, the sage will gain 1 addersting.

To keep things fair for SCH and SGE on Adloquium and Eukrasian Diagnosis - during a critical hit, sage will gain 2 additional shields of Differential Diagnosis(1 active shield, 1 untouched shield) that can be stacked with Eukrasian Diagnosis / Eukrasian Prognosis in the same way SCH Galvanize stacks with Catalyze.

Pepsis will now change into a new effect:
When there is an untouched Eukrasian Prognosis or Eukrasian Diagnosis shield layer, consume all untouched Eukrasian Diagnosis / Eukrasian Prognosis shield layers and add the value of 1 untouched shield layer to the current shield, but the new shield duration will be 10 seconds instead of 30 seconds. When the new Eukrasian shield breaks, it will generate 1 addersting.

SCH Shields are technically stronger than SGE shields on single target hits and can heal more HP in a pinch. SGE shields are weaker individually due to having a multi-hit purpose, but can be stronger than SCH shields when under the effect of Pepsis. Unlike SCH, SGE does not have Emergency Tactics equivalent for recovery, but they do have Prognosis / Diagnosis if they need to heal raw HP - even if it's inherently weaker, distinguishing both jobs more. This will inevitably give Pepsis a very specific niche for SGE's gameplay by exchanging recovery for big AoE shielding. This can set up the foundation for SGE to have a more Kardia-centric gameplay via heal by DPSing since these are effectively larger shields overall, but spread apart.

Additionally, the two changes to Sage will create more addersting, allowing more addersting skills to take part of the SGE's gameplay.

... Assuming SGE will ever get more DPS skills in its rotation that doesn't have a long cooldown.

[Liam_Harper]

cause 90% of people wont stop complaining about sage shields being weaker to sch and how inferior it is?

No one is complaining really. Sage is absolutely fine in all content and a solid healer. SCH just has a small edge in the hardest content.

I’ve always said SGE should focus more strongly on mitigation, like eukrasian pneuma should give like 10 seconds of 30% mitigation to rival deployed adlo, something more like that not let’s give SGE deployment tactics

An extra mitigation on SGE would work rather nicely, although 30% would be nutty in a SGE/SCH comp.

Pepsis could be as simple as converting your next GCD shield into mitigation. That would have use on anything that hits more than once. Still niche, but like ET it serves a purpose.

[Supersnow845]

No one is complaining really. Sage is absolutely fine in all content and a solid healer. SCH just has a small edge in the hardest content.



An extra mitigation on SGE would work rather nicely, although 30% would be nutty in a SGE/SCH comp.

Pepsis could be as simple as converting your next GCD shield into mitigation. That would have use on anything that hits more than once. Still niche, but like ET it serves a purpose.

That’s a big problem regardless, the complete dominance of mitigation over pure healing is really going to mean that SCH/SGE is going to hamper their design efforts going forward, the fact that the two can collectively put down 45% mitigation (though no actual since diminishing returns) and a deployed adlo is just so powerful, the only reason AST/SCH tops it is the scaleability of AST’s buffs in competent parties but god damn if SGE/SCH don’t have the “op healer combo for healing purposes” down to a t

[Hysterior]

I don't think I have ever had the need to use it.
You can pretty much remove it from your hotbar.

[Deceptus]

I don't think I have ever had the need to use it.
You can pretty much remove it from your hotbar.

I've been doing some MSQ roulette for easy tomes / mog event mix and in low level content it has a small use mainly due to the fact you don't have much else.

[ToodlesElNoodles]

I’ve changed stances on Pepsis.

Get rid of it and the mechanic that makes SGE shields act weird with SCH shields.

Side note: And rework Adder’s Sting to not be tied to E.Diag. Two jobs should not clash like this especially when the change to SCH was specifically to have them do Recit/Deploy (look back to 6.0 job trailer for their EW intention).

[Rilifane]

I've been doing some MSQ roulette for easy tomes / mog event mix and in low level content it has a small use mainly due to the fact you don't have much else.

The question is: would the party have died if you had only used a plain Prognosis instead of EProg + Pepsis?
If the answer is no, then it was useless. It's like buffing Rapture with PI for more heal even if a plain Rapture would've done the trick. And I have honestly never encountered a single situation where Pepsis made the difference between life and death over a regular Prognosis. Not in low level content, not in highend content.

The only thing I like about Pepsis is that you can troll someone in a SGE/ SCH comp by completely deleting that juicy Spreadlo right before an aoe hits and watch the victim of choice die. Wouldn't recommend doing that outside of a static though. May also lead to the SCH yoinking you in retaliation for deleting that beautiful, megabuffed Spreadlo that was likely complete overkill but very satisfying to see.

[IceBlueNinja]

The question is: would the party have died if you had only used a plain Prognosis instead of EProg + Pepsis?
If the answer is no, then it was useless. It's like buffing Rapture with PI for more heal even if a plain Rapture would've done the trick. And I have honestly never encountered a single situation where Pepsis made the difference between life and death over a regular Prognosis. Not in low level content, not in highend content.

The only thing I like about Pepsis is that you can troll someone in a SGE/ SCH comp by completely deleting that juicy Spreadlo right before an aoe hits and watch the victim of choice die. Wouldn't recommend doing that outside of a static though. May also lead to the SCH yoinking you in retaliation for deleting that beautiful, megabuffed Spreadlo that was likely complete overkill but very satisfying to see.

Oh i just read your signature and didnt know pepsi can also do that sch. Thought only another sage. mwahahaha now i do wanna use pepsi make schs angry.