Glamour restrictions: a hinderance to creativity

[Bobby66]

One can disagree but I feel restrictions help facilitate creativity. Makes one look for creative ways to create the outfit they desire. I wish SE would add more race / gender / class items. I would love for higher level cultural attire for each race and clan within the race.

[Raikai]

One can disagree but I feel restrictions help facilitate creativity. Makes one look for creative ways to create the outfit they desire. I wish SE would add more race / gender / class items. I would love for higher level cultural attire for each race and clan within the race.

That's great and all when you're just looking to achieve a general silhouette. I can think of many ways to make a plated healer... Or a Paladin that looks like it's a Dancer in a distance. XIV's glamouring already let you do that.

But then, the argument falls short when it comes to more passionate glamour users that want a bit more intricate design options with mix and matching. For example, a tank not being able to have the chestpiece - but with a much better dyeing pattern - that a Dragoon uses, even though it's literally the same item model. Or a caster not being able to wear the Late Allagan beret that comes with a built in microphone+earsets that the healer has, but there is literally nothing else in that game that looks like that.

Maybe you want your sleeves cut short for a simpler design? Well, too bad that the only 3 options that sort of do that are Caster, Scouting and Healing respectively.

Also, someone that sees the restrictions as some sort of token -putting their creative brain to achieve hard-to-get silhouettes - would be able to take that much further with less restrictions.

[ForteNightshade]

But then, the argument falls short when it comes to more passionate glamour users that want a bit more intricate design options with mix and matching. For example, a tank not being able to have the chestpiece - but with a much better dyeing pattern - that a Dragoon uses, even though it's literally the same item model. Or a caster not being able to wear the Late Allagan beret that comes with a built in microphone+earsets that the healer has, but there is literally nothing else in that game that looks like that.

A perfect example of this between those two roles is the YoRha 55 sets. If I want to wear stockings, I have to be a tank whereas Dragoon simply gets the exact same shorts without stockings. Another example are the Makai shorts, which are, debatably, the best part of shorts in the game. Every role except Fending, Maiming and Scouting have access to them. Therefore, if I want a casual look for my Dragoon, I have to use the much less appealing Lady's Knickers or the aforementioned YoRha shorts, which are also not nearly as nice. Granted, we do have the Spring Shorts now but the point still stands. It's a silly restriction and doesn't foster creativity whatsoever. In fact, it promotes people to use certain third party tools that allow them to wear whatever they want. You'll often find that is a huge reason for their popularity.

[Bobby66]

That's great and all when you're just looking to achieve a general silhouette. I can think of many ways to make a plated healer... Or a Paladin that looks like it's a Dancer in a distance. XIV's glamouring already let you do that.

But then, the argument falls short when it comes to more passionate glamour users that want a bit more intricate design options with mix and matching. For example, a tank not being able to have the chestpiece - but with a much better dyeing pattern - that a Dragoon uses, even though it's literally the same item model. Or a caster not being able to wear the Late Allagan beret that comes with a built in microphone+earsets that the healer has, but there is literally nothing else in that game that looks like that.

Maybe you want your sleeves cut short for a simpler design? Well, too bad that the only 3 options that sort of do that are Caster, Scouting and Healing respectively.

Also, someone that sees the restrictions as some sort of token -putting their creative brain to achieve hard-to-get silhouettes - would be able to take that much further with less restrictions.

Maybe even if they removed I would just keep self imposed restrictions. I still have my own preferences, and if it came down to a vote between the two I would vote for more restrictive and unique gear.

It seems that only people who inherently have no creativity say this.

You are free to fell that way, I came from a poor family I use to have to make due with dollar store art supplies. Now that I have the money to use professional grade supplies I appreciate the depth at which the tools allow me to go even still sometimes I prefer to work and create something awesome with cheap dollar store supplies. Do I prefer the cheaper stuff hella no but it is still nice to create something cool with less.

In short I most likely would still self impose my own restrictions.

[Darthgummibear]

Maybe even if they removed I would just keep self imposed restrictions. I still have my own preferences, and if it came down to a vote between the two I would vote for more restrictive and unique gear.



You are free to fell that way, I came from a poor family I use to have to make due with dollar store art supplies. Now that I have the money to use professional grade supplies I appreciate the depth at which the tools allow me to go even still sometimes I prefer to work and create something awesome with cheap dollar store supplies. Do I prefer the cheaper stuff hella no but it is still nice to create something cool with less.

In short I most likely would still self impose my own restrictions.

This is a fallacious argument and you know it. What you are describing is a closer allegory to learning how to draw with a No. 2 pencil before having access to a Cintiq tablet, whereas in both scenarios you still have the full creative freedom that a real world scenario would entail. A gross oversimplification of the glamour situation likened to your example would be more like "You can paint, but your only tool is forever limited to testor cerulean blue. You can never use other paints or colors because reasons."

[Bobby66]

This is a fallacious argument and you know it. What you are describing is a closer allegory to learning how to draw with a No. 2 pencil before having access to a Cintiq tablet, whereas in both scenarios you still have the full creative freedom that a real world scenario would entail. A gross oversimplification of the glamour situation likened to your example would be more like "You can paint, but your only tool is forever limited to testor cerulean blue. You can never use other paints or colors because reasons."

Homie was not meant to be an argument. I was simply stating I like working with restrictions and if I had to vote I would always vote for more restrictions.

That being said I have done fun projects where I limit myself to certain colors or one medium. I made a cool shirt design with bleach dye on a black shirt. Thank you for the idea though I will try to do something with a mono color.

I while I am in favor of restrictions and if they removed them I would still impose my own. So not like I will lose sleep over them being lifted. I would still vote no though.

[Tehmon]

Homie was not meant to be an argument. I was simply stating I like working with restrictions and if I had to vote I would always vote for more restrictions.

That being said I have done fun projects where I limit myself to certain colors or one medium. I made a cool shirt design with bleach dye on a black shirt. Thank you for the idea though I will try to do something with a mono color.

I while I am in favor of restrictions and if they removed them I would still impose my own. So not like I will lose sleep over them being lifted. I would still vote no though.

'' This change would have absolutely no effect on me but nevertheless I still don't want others to have it either ''

W H A T

[Raikai]

Homie was not meant to be an argument. I was simply stating I like working with restrictions and if I had to vote I would always vote for more restrictions.

That being said I have done fun projects where I limit myself to certain colors or one medium. I made a cool shirt design with bleach dye on a black shirt. Thank you for the idea though I will try to do something with a mono color.

I while I am in favor of restrictions and if they removed them I would still impose my own. So not like I will lose sleep over them being lifted. I would still vote no though.

If restrictions being lifted would not impact on your experience whatsoever (especially because it's a cosmetic feature), why do you even bother to be so vocal against the idea?

Resources being allocated to something you don't like? This is a conudrum that a game like XIV will always have.

[Darthgummibear]

Homie was not meant to be an argument. I was simply stating I like working with restrictions and if I had to vote I would always vote for more restrictions.

That being said I have done fun projects where I limit myself to certain colors or one medium. I made a cool shirt design with bleach dye on a black shirt. Thank you for the idea though I will try to do something with a mono color.

I while I am in favor of restrictions and if they removed them I would still impose my own. So not like I will lose sleep over them being lifted. I would still vote no though.

So not only do you double down on your fallacious argument(and deliberately miss the point), but you go the extra step of saying you have no stake in the game and don't want anyone else to have fun either. Wow. Just wow. I fear for the future of humanity.

[Bobby66]

So not only do you double down on your fallacious argument(and deliberately miss the point), but you go the extra step of saying you have no stake in the game and don't want anyone else to have fun either. Wow. Just wow. I fear for the future of humanity.

What I am saying is what I said was not intended to be an argument. Cannot double down on something that it was not meant to be. I am not trying to sway anyone from their stance I was just voicing my own personal stance on the subject. More or less what I was saying is I like the color blue because x. Not I like the color blue because x and so should you. I know it is the internet, but not everything is an argument.

I also doubt my vote is preventing anyone from having fun or by any means has any say in What SE does.

Unlikely to cause an exodus but it is an irritant. Ever hear of "Death by 1,000 cuts"? Well this one counts for several of those.

I consider FF:XIV the best well managed MMO's available. While it compares favorably to its peers it's absolutely abysmal compared to the larger enterprise software industry. Sooner or later somebody's going to figure this out in the MMO space and do it better. That's the day XIV's advantage collapses. Companies ignore QoL requests at their peril. Blizzard is still learning that lesson, sad to see FF:XIV follow in those footsteps.

Really do not think that will be the case for FFXIV within the time frame before they hit maintenance mode I think the SE does enough right and has an IP that can carry it for a time, I do agree with time many of the issues like housing, lack of depth among healers, tanks, and certain, lack of customization options will impact their bottom line if a product does come out that nails the story aspect and has those options. I just do not see that being a thing for a time. The mmo landscape is ripe for innovations and I look forward to future projects. Though I think the core gameplay itself will be the factor that will lead to FFXIV's death more so over the other features I mentioned. Tab target mmo's do feel dated.

If restrictions being lifted would not impact on your experience whatsoever (especially because it's a cosmetic feature), why do you even bother to be so vocal against the idea?

Resources being allocated to something you don't like? This is a conudrum that a game like XIV will always have.

It is a public forum so I was simply stating how I feel, and how I would vote. Not sure why having a differing view seems to bother people so much. If it happens so be that is life, that said I can see have a desired outcome and still put my two cents for that outcome. Even if I do not have a dog in the race or it will not greatly impact me does not mean I should just go along with something I do not want.