Quote Originally Posted by Grebeny View Post
Bagel got banned for using telegraphs for boss attacks that were not suppose to be there. Way before Xeno cleared, Bagel group was world first in prog and all others were watching mechanics from his stream. So some of the tools already work on day one. The streamer from japan and the World first youtuber had addon showing them when they can start moving during cast and addon to see numbers they are not suppose in party list.
No, he wasn't. There weren't even telegraphed programs available at that point. He was banned for using a UI plugin, the very one I mentioned. You have no idea what you're talking about. The telegraphed programs are a recent thing which essentially show the mechanics for you. They aren't what Bagel and Hiiro for banned for back in May. Both were using the aforementioned plugin and one had triggers. You can debate all you fancy on if triggers are cheating but adding numbers underneath buffs isn't. That's absurd. Against the ToS? Absolutely. They shouldn't have streamed it. That's on them. It isn't cheating though.

Quote Originally Posted by Grebeny View Post
Yoshida never said such a thing. What was written in his note is that they will look at the third party tools used by community and evaluate what they may add to discourage usage of those tools. This specific addon was not mentioned in any way by his statement, they never stated they may add those numbers to the party list or they will implement any of the mods, the streamers were banned for. For example they added new sounds on specific mechanics to discourage players from using auto call bots, did they added auto call bots when they wanted to discourage players from using them?
Yes, he did. He specifically talked about overhauling the UI and adding elements from some of the more popular plugins. Which is precisely what Bagel and Hiiro were using. He didn't name the actual plugin for obvious reasons but for those who know of or even use it, it's fairly obvious which one he was referencing.

Quote Originally Posted by Grebeny View Post
Fast example. They implemented code to catch up on people that fake not being afk by using forward, backward macro on their keyboard when servers were overwhelming and nobody wanted to be DCed for AFK. The "dungeon bots" are almost extinct species, and if you played during HS or SB you would know what I am talking about. For crafting they need to press one button on a simple macro that maybe makes it too complicated, or we don't complain about it enough to make them take actions.
... what are you on about? They did no such thing. There were two plugins available immediately after they announced removing the AFK dodging people were doing by clicking market boards or opening their HUDs. They never touched either one of them despite both working by essentially masking key commands to trick the timer into thinking you pressed a button. The dungeon bots are less prevalent now because SE removed the gil drops. Instead, they've made their homes in map dungeons and Eureka. We've even had several threads about how Pyros is infected with bunny bots. Guess what SE has done about it? Absolutely nothing.

Quote Originally Posted by Grebeny View Post
This mods are not allowed in first place, to be banned. In the last two days we saw around 7 really toxic communications both ingame and in discord related to ACT/FFlogs. You may not see it personally, but people get frustrated and stop playing the game because of it. For huge portion of the players, the selling point for this game was there is none or at least is reduced to an absolute minimum of this behavior. For sure SE already are losing money because people see the same bevaior they ran away from. BTW go back to first streams of Asmongold, even for him that was a one of the big selling points of FF XIV.
Just imagine if the NSFW mods generate a pedo scandal, as George Cacioppo knows pretty well, Sony have zero tollerance for it and may remove the entire FF from their platform. No money lost at all.
No, it isn't. Most players don't actually care about third party tools because it doesn't impact them whatsoever. The vast majority are coming in for the story, social aspects and whatnot. If that weren't the case, SE would have banned FFlogs and ACT a decade ago when they were first release. They never have despite the former gaining so much prominence in the raid scene it impacts the meta more than even the dev team. Don't believe me? Selfish jobs were never an actual problem in Stormblood. FFlogs made them one because bringing one meant actively hurting your ranking. Hence why White Mages everywhere were constantly asked to play Astro. That changed in Shadowbringers when they introduced rDPS/aDPS. Mods have created a scandal already with Ryne. Guess what? SE never did anything about them.

At this point in time, the estimated number of players using third party tools exceeds 300k based on just unique downloads. SE isn't attracting anywhere near enough players to replace the sheer number they would lose to offset banning them all wholesale. Hence why they never have.