The feeling of beeing Home ...

[MikkoAkure]

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I’m not going to stan Venat and that part of the game was kinda eh, but at the end of the day, our character and our world depend on her decisions, no matter how reprehensible and she saved our butt from the Ascians.

I viewed the whole thing as a tragedy, but it was a tragedy from 12,000 years ago. It would be a stretch to expect the game to make us suddenly change course and stop the first Final Days and change our history considering that’s the world we know and play in, for a bunch of people who have been trying to kill us constantly just because they make us feel sad.

Our world and theirs can’t coexist and their world has already ended and the remnants are trying to kill us and destroy everything we know. Azem is long dead, we won’t suddenly become them with their personality and memories if everything got rejoined, same as everyone else who has a sundered soul. The Rejoining and Zodiark’s promise will only bring back those who were sacrificed to Zodiark already.

Emet-Selch isn’t innocent either, he destroyed 7 worlds completely, each time causing death and chaos on the Source as well. And in the end after we defeated him, he gave up and doomed the Ascian cause by bringing us back from the brink and allowing us to ghostbust Elidibus.

[Jeeqbit]

In no way did they tease that the WoL would be a villain in ShB...The title warrior of light and warrior of darkness are a throwback reference to FF3. The warriors of dark fought against the cloud of darkness. It was obvious from the get go that ShB would be themed similarly.

A throwback to FF3 is irrelevant to people who have not played FF3 or other FF games, so to them it is teasing it.

It was not clear what they meant, but the fact your character was surrounded by darkness and being called the Warrior of Darkness was a hint that you could be in the position of doing something evil to one people in order to do something good for another.

The Ascians had been warning us about the growing imbalance of light for a long time. Because we did not understand what "light" and "dark" was, it seemed to a lot of people that we had spread too much light and in order to save the world we needed to become evil like Ardbert and restore the balance between light and dark.

But SE didn't go with actually making us evil and just made it a title that people use for their hero.

[MikkoAkure]

A throwback to FF3 is irrelevant to people who have not played FF3 or other FF games, so to them it is teasing it.

Well they did play FF3 music in the same trailer that called us “Warrior of Darkness”.

And while it is completely reasonable to expect a darker expansion from the title we were given and the title of the expansion itself, it’s something different altogether to expect us to go around kicking puppies or straight up attempting to kill people with poison arrows like the other warriors of darkness were doing.

The trailer showed us killing a giant, aggressive being of light that looks like the one we already fought and killed in a different dungeon, and an expansion of the concept of killing beings of light is what we ended up getting anyway.

I could have seen a thing of “using Zodiark’s darkness powers against bad beings of light in order to balance things out”, but not becoming villains ourselves.

[xenahawk]

There were occasions myself where i wish the were more options of response because i didnt much feel how i would want to respond was there. However for the most part i felt the story did pretty well fit together because to me it wasnt black and white, and i feel the story did well for showing that by having scenes show not even all the "good" guys agreeing. I totally get how some people might not like parts of the story because the story has a set destination and some players dont like it, like going in to try to help garlemald. For me i think of real world equivalents to be like yeah i sort of get it even if i dont agree with it.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Calling it now: Everything will come back. Nothing is resolved. Finished the story of the Ascians? Why are the raids about them then? Dynamis and that will probably come back too.

The raids that are explicitly set in the past, meaning nothing has to "come back" for it.

Honestly feels like an attempt at a saving throw because they realized Lahabrea was a flat, one-note villain stereotype while the other two Unsundered were fleshed out more. I'm willing to wait and see if I'm proven wrong about it, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

Honestly feels like an attempt at a saving throw because they realized Lahabrea was a flat, one-note villain stereotype while the other two Unsundered were fleshed out more. I'm willing to wait and see if I'm proven wrong about it, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

Well, to Lahabrea, the "ultimate magic" was a big explosion, which is weird considering creation magic. Obviously he's just a victim of retcons and how the story is written ham-fistedly with things tacked on with random stuff after the fact. Of course it can't get better like that.

[XiRon]

The raids that are explicitly set in the past, meaning nothing has to "come back" for it.

Honestly feels like an attempt at a saving throw because they realized Lahabrea was a flat, one-note villain stereotype while the other two Unsundered were fleshed out more. I'm willing to wait and see if I'm proven wrong about it, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

well we already know Laha is an abusive father who either divorced or killed Athena and Hesperos is a creepy igor who killed himself so as not to betray whatever spooky shit theyre doing in not!Hell so...he's not doing himself any favors just yet :-/

[SentioftheHoukai]

I’m not going to stan Venat and that part of the game was kinda eh, but at the end of the day, our character and our world depend on her decisions, no matter how reprehensible and she saved our butt from the Ascians.

I viewed the whole thing as a tragedy, but it was a tragedy from 12,000 years ago. It would be a stretch to expect the game to make us suddenly change course and stop the first Final Days and change our history considering that’s the world we know and play in, for a bunch of people who have been trying to kill us constantly just because they make us feel sad.

Our world and theirs can’t coexist and their world has already ended and the remnants are trying to kill us and destroy everything we know. Azem is long dead, we won’t suddenly become them with their personality and memories if everything got rejoined, same as everyone else who has a sundered soul. The Rejoining and Zodiark’s promise will only bring back those who were sacrificed to Zodiark already.

Emet-Selch isn’t innocent either, he destroyed 7 worlds completely, each time causing death and chaos on the Source as well. And in the end after we defeated him, he gave up and doomed the Ascian cause by bringing us back from the brink and allowing us to ghostbust Elidibus.

You stan Venat damn well near on the daily, and I never once stated that Emet-Selch was innocent. I agree, he is very guilty indeed of genocide but so is Venat. The point is that there is a clearly uneven dichotomy between the way we the Scions and the narrative treat the Ascians, and the way we treat Venat who shares a considerable amount of culpability in their crimes given what we now know. I don't expect them to go back and rewrite the entirety of 6.0, but if this growing imbalance is not redressed more intimately in 6.2 and beyond my disappointment will be immeasurable and my days ruined prematurely.

well we already know Laha is an abusive father who either divorced or killed Athena and Hesperos is a creepy igor who killed himself so as not to betray whatever spooky shit theyre doing in not!Hell so...he's not doing himself any favors just yet :-/

We know no such things, I'm afraid. Kindly keep the vile slander of Lahahusband to a minimum, if you must speak it at all. Eitherys Airlines thanks you for your cooperation.

[AwesomeJr44]

True. But such acts are typical for the ancients. They have no problems with erasing something if it does not meet their expectations. You see it in Elpis, where the wolf-like creatures are killed, Hades wants to erase you from the weave of history, Venat erases the ancients etc.

Wait, so because this is typical for the ancients, it's ok to do?

IT'S REJOINING TIME BOIS!!!! Let's rejoin some shards here people!

[MikkoAkure]

You stan Venat damn well near on the daily

The writers clumsily connected Venat to Hydaelyn in EW and it feels like they did it based on how people appreciated Emet-Selch drifting from black to more grey. The final explanations for what she did and the whole idea of Dynamis was stupid, but I can still stand back and see where the writers were trying to make it make sense and have our character side with her. In the end, she still did protect us multiple times while the Ascians tried to kill us before they made any attempt to explain themselves and she is the reason we exist, for better or worse.

Just because I favor one side over the other doesn’t make me a stan. I’m not emotionally invested in her well-being or how she’s depicted in the narrative. I follow what the writers put down, even if they didn’t exactly stick the landing, and while I really like ye olde Elpis trio, I distance myself from the Ancients since they’re still a long dead precursor race who can’t be saved. If they made her completely intentionally evil and purposefully destroy everything just because she hates everyone, then I wouldn’t “support” her.

To our characters, Eorzea is more real than the Ancients’ world and we don’t have much of anything to do with them except that our soul was recycled from one of their friends and that is probably part of why it’s reflected like that in the story.