The feeling of beeing Home ...

[SentioftheHoukai]

It's a bit too easy, but isn't there that famous saying "don't judge a book by it's cover"? And I don't understand why you need to make a whole allegory about the game being a book, we all understand how video games and expansions work because we've played it.

On topic, I wonder how what the percentages of people who didn't like EW compared to those who did is like when also taking into account people who got super into the Ancients and people who didn't. I didn't particularly associate with the Ancients because they're a long-dead precursor race we don't really have much to do with despite being reincarnated from one of the important ones. But just because our soul is partially one of them doesn't mean we are one and what's more important to our character is the survival of our own world since that's all we knew about our entire lives until our jaunts through Amaurot and Elpis. People getting way into them to the point they're making signatures about how bad Venat is reminds me that the word "fan" is short for "fanatic".

Despite liking the Elpis parts of the story better than the rest, I wonder if the whole story would have been less controversial if we never went there and instead of the Venat we got, we had a 100% super good and unproblematic Venat and the Sundering was her accidentally kicking Zodiark too hard.

As for the Scions, love them or hate them, they're pretty much the only thing tying the game together at this point and probably will into the future as well. ARR was all the Scions together, HW was 2 Scions + guests, SB was (mostly) 2 Scions, and ShB and EW were "the whole team back together again, plus 1 guest". If it weren't for them, a lot of the story wouldn't have happened and we wouldn't have had a home base. I hope they can introduce new blood that are completely fresh and aren't scrapped from old job quests, but I don't see them going away altogether.

In the future, Mikko it may behoove you to remember that for all of us who rabidly defend anything Ancient and Ascian and Zodiark and Garlean, there are an equally equivalent amount of "fanatics" consistently crowing on about how morally upright Venat is. In other words, when considering whether to throw out a slanderous accusation on a public forum board, it may be wise to weightily consider whether engaging in disingenuous insinuations may make a hypocrite of oneself.

As for Venat, it is by dictionary definition that her actions in performing the Sundering was explicitly an act of genocide. No amount of feelings or "I don't consider it genocide, though!" or "It was the only way and thus, justified!" will change this unavoidable, undeniable fact. Indeed, I run the risk of puking entertaining the thought that genocide justification is a thing here after so much crowing on during Shadowbringers on how it would NEVER be acceptable of an outcome.



In summary, how may I ask is Hydaelyn or any of her supporters in game or out any morally superior than THIS MAN and his people? Especially with everything we know now, all that we learned in the Q&A why does Venat get special treatment? By all rights, these revelations should have soured y'all to her and her philosophy and actions.

The complete erasure of the culture of a people counts as such a heinous crime, even if the peoples themselves yet remain amongst the living. Continuing the trend of such ignominy being deemed acceptable when perpetrated by the protagonist and company, Garlemald attempted (and yet failed) to do this to the city-state of Ala Mhigo in Stormblood through the medium of cultural appropriation, and were deemed evil warlords that must be stopped at all costs for it (and rightly so, I've never once disagreed with this. Regrettable, the opposite equivalence is not present). No traceable remnants of Ancient culture yet remain on the Source and its Shards, and the Ancient people are all but deceased as of the finale of Endwalker. This result can be laid squarely at the feet of Hydaelyn. Yet despite this unavoidable fact, aside from a single line of self-aggrandizement (which denigrates its worth in the process) not once is she rightfully villainized for it. Instead her victims are perpetually blamed for bringing their demise upon themselves. To this day, I struggle to comprehend just why and/or how the concept of a sub-group of fans sympathizing more with the oppressed and executed culture over the supreme deity who dealt them such a lamentable (and indeed, PREVENTABLE!) fate to them is such a heinous, unthinkable crime to y'all on this forum.

[Larirawiel]

As for Venat, it is by dictionary definition that her actions in performing the Sundering was explicitly an act of genocide. The complete erasure of the culture of a people counts as such a heinous crime, even if the peoples themselves yet remain amongst the living.

True. But such acts are typical for the ancients. They have no problems with erasing something if it does not meet their expectations. You see it in Elpis, where the wolf-like creatures are killed, Hades wants to erase you from the weave of history, Venat erases the ancients etc.


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[SentioftheHoukai]

True. But such acts are typical for the ancients. They have no problems with erasing something if it does not meet their expectations. You see it in Elpis, where the wolf-like creatures are killed, Hades wants to erase you from the weave of history, Venat erases the ancients etc.


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As do the Sundered, her direct beneficiaries. Sad to say, this doesn't prove the point or represent the foolproof "Gotcha!" you believe it to.

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[AwesomeJr44]

True. But such acts are typical for the ancients. They have no problems with erasing something if it does not meet their expectations. You see it in Elpis, where the wolf-like creatures are killed, Hades wants to erase you from the weave of history, Venat erases the ancients etc.

Wait, so because this is typical for the ancients, it's ok to do?

IT'S REJOINING TIME BOIS!!!! Let's rejoin some shards here people!

[Larirawiel]

Wait, so because this is typical for the ancients, it's ok to do?

IT'S REJOINING TIME BOIS!!!! Let's rejoin some shards here people!

It is propably not OK to do so. But it is the way how the ancients solve problems. Venat is not different. I guess, she was socialized in the ancient society and she does not know other solutions. And the second thing is, she must act like this because we told her, that she will do it in the future. If she would decide not to do so then she would alter the present of the WoL. That is the reason why i do not like time traveling into the past. You can only lose doing it.


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