We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Myrany]

I think everyone has to take some responsibility here. Sprouts should be learning as they go yes. Expecting perfection from them by some arbitrary point in the game is ridiculous. Also those that do not like what they find in random groups have options. They can choose to not queue up for randoms or they can leave the duty.

From my own experience so far having done ARR, HW, and through all of 4.0 in SB. The first couple of dungeons/trials in the expansions always are an eye opener for me the first time. The ramp up in what you have to do is noticeable even if you watch a video first. I play it to the best of my ability but you won't get perfection. Yes I might just not fire off a ballad while I am dodging stuff I forgot was coming etc (these days I main Bard).

All I can say to sprouts is do your best. All I can say to people expecting far too much is either take a chill pill or don't queue for randoms.

[Rilifane]

I think everyone has to take some responsibility here. Sprouts should be learning as they go yes. Expecting perfection from them by some arbitrary point in the game is ridiculous. Also those that do not like what they find in random groups have options. They can choose to not queue up for randoms or they can leave the duty.

Point me to people on here expecting perfection and I will recognize it as a valid point.
Because I can't find a single post that demands perfection on here.
So I wonder why people feel the need to point out that "not everyone has to play optimally" or that nobody should "expect perfection".

And as has been said numerous times: if someone is trying but struggles, that is fine.
There is nothing wrong or rude or disrespectful about trying but struggling.

The difference is intent: you can be trying but bad or you can be willfully bad because you purposely ignore any help offered and don't bother to do the minimum to pull your weight.
The former is fine, take as long as you need (without resorting to excuses), the latter is not.

[Deceptus]

All I can say to people expecting far too much is either take a chill pill or don't queue for randoms.

Emphasis mine.

And this is one of the reasons that queues are long. People are doing the above. They feel it's not worth their time.

[Striker44]

Emphasis mine.

And this is one of the reasons that queues are long. People are doing the above. They feel it's not worth their time.

Say what? Queues are long? Queues are still practically instant on either Tank or Healer, and unless you're queuing for a very specific dungeon or something, even DPS queues rarely go that far (and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the number of people queuing, but rather the discrepancy between the amount queuing as DPS vs. the other two roles).

[Myrany]

Emphasis mine.

And this is one of the reasons that queues are long. People are doing the above. They feel it's not worth their time.

Nothing wrong with that honestly.

[Tlamila]

Nothing wrong with that honestly.

Nothing wrong with long queues? You're a weird one.

[Myrany]

Nothing wrong with long queues? You're a weird one.

1. they are not that long and 2. I have patience. I can live with people who are unhappy with the quality of randoms not queuing for them and making themselves miserable.

I have never as a DPS player encountered the sometimes 3-4 hour waits I have had in other games. So yeah I can cope.