We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Payadopa]

Depending on the dungeon I'll watch a guide.

I don't like being the person that screws up and wipes us. Wish more people would think like that.

I don't watch guides on my first attempt. Period. If you want to enforce your own rules make a PF group.

[EnigmaticDodo]

Depending on the dungeon I'll watch a guide.

I don't like being the person that screws up and wipes us. Wish more people would think like that.

I don't watch guides on my first attempt. Period. If you want to enforce your own rules make a PF group.

Guides really are not needed for dungeon content. They are essentially all reskins. I don't know when this clicks for most people though!

[Atelier-Bagur]

Mostly just dungeon boss guides. I still run into people who mess up on the mechanics often. Never as bad that it causes a wipe but I did have a couple every once in a blue moon. But yeah it's a shame dungeon mobs don't really offer a variety of tactics to deal with, just do the usual mitigation basics for tanks, healers balancing their attacks and heals and dps just doing their Aoe rotations

[technole]

Guides really are not needed for dungeon content. They are essentially all reskins. I don't know when this clicks for most people though!

Yeah, it's kind of morally wrong to really push needing a guide for a dungeon/boss or really any casual content considering spoiler content. People can speak up if they need help and others can speak up if they want to offer it.

There was a time years ago I took a short break from the game and decided to take my licks in on the new dungeons and alliance raid sight unseen. Always worth it.

[george357]

wow 44 padges of this its not about calling a player bad its about helping the player get better and thus making a better game for all.

[Supersnow845]

wow 44 padges of this its not about calling a player bad its about helping the player get better and thus making a better game for all.

Yes 44 pages of people still struggling or understand that “we should expect some level of competency” is not “I’m gonna call you garbage in game” it means that you can’t always teach people who don’t want to learn nor should people be in a level 86 dungeon if they need to be told that they need to use mitigation

[Deceptus]

Yes 44 pages of people still struggling or understand that “we should expect some level of competency” is not “I’m gonna call you garbage in game” it means that you can’t always teach people who don’t want to learn nor should people be in a level 86 dungeon if they need to be told that they need to use mitigation

Or have a Job Stone equipped.

[Toutatis]

Yes 44 pages of people still struggling or understand that “we should expect some level of competency” is not “I’m gonna call you garbage in game” it means that you can’t always teach people who don’t want to learn nor should people be in a level 86 dungeon if they need to be told that they need to use mitigation

People can make all the threads they want about this, it’s not going to change the reality: this game caters to a large and varied audience of different ages, experience and backgrounds and we should totally expect both good and bad players in story mode content, like it or not. I know a few pretty bad players who try their best and who put some real effort into it but remain bad no matter what. That is just how life works. Why do you think you find stupid warning labels on products such as “this cape does not enable flight”?

This is a game offering a somewhat broad range of casual and non competitive content, not a work environment where competency is expected.

For savage and extreme modes, there should be some expectations (maybe make Stone, Sky, Sea mandatory as a minimum...and even that is mega easy) but in story mode content, it is not going to change. The only way around that is to make your own party and invite people you consider competent.

Personally I don’t mind some bad players. I am more annoyed by the dumb and generic trash in EW dungeons (pull 2x two groups of adds, spam aoe till they die and arrive at boss) than by the occasional struggling tank which I am happy to help. I have never received any “you are not paying my sub” type of reply.

[Supersnow845]

People can make all the threads they want about this, it’s not going to change the reality: this game caters to a large and varied audience of different ages, experience and backgrounds and we should totally expect both good and bad players in story mode content, like it or not. I know a few pretty bad players who try their best and who put some real effort into it but remain bad no matter what. That is just how life works. Why do you think you find stupid warning labels on products such as “this cape does not enable flight”?

This is a game offering a somewhat broad range of casual and non competitive content, not a work environment where competency is expected.

For savage and extreme modes, there should be some expectations (maybe make Stone, Sky, Sea mandatory as a minimum...and even that is mega easy) but in story mode content, it is not going to change. The only way around that is to make your own party and invite people you consider competent.

Personally I don’t mind some bad players. I am more annoyed by the dumb and generic trash in EW dungeons (pull 2x two groups of adds, spam aoe till they die and arrive at boss) than by the occasional struggling tank which I am happy to help. I have never received any “you are not paying my sub” type of reply.

I mean if you honestly go into group content in a game where other people want to have fun as well and then provide absolutely no baseline you are just being selfish, it’s like this post says, we aren’t asking for much just a functional baseline you don’t need a shovel to get under

[Carin-Eri]

People can make all the threads they want about this, it’s not going to change the reality: this game caters to a large and varied audience of different ages, experience and backgrounds and we should totally expect both good and bad players in story mode content, like it or not. I

know a few pretty bad players who try their best and who put some real effort into it but remain bad no matter what.

That is just how life works. Why do you think you find stupid warning labels on products such as “this cape does not enable flight”?

This is a game offering a somewhat broad range of casual and non competitive content, not a work environment where competency is expected.

For savage and extreme modes, there should be some expectations (maybe make Stone, Sky, Sea mandatory as a minimum...and even that is mega easy) but in story mode content, it is not going to change. The only way around that is to make your own party and invite people you consider competent.

Personally I don’t mind some bad players. I am more annoyed by the dumb and generic trash in EW dungeons (pull 2x two groups of adds, spam aoe till they die and arrive at boss) than by the occasional struggling tank which I am happy to help. I have never received any “you are not paying my sub” type of reply.

Yep, that's me