Who is excited for harder 4 man content?

[VelKallor]

Do you feel it might foster a sense of elitism, or will it promote a reason for many to strive to improve.

There will always be tryhards who "lord the fact they do HARD content" over others. One reason we do NOT need the equivalent of m plus in FF 14.

[Bukachu]

There will always be tryhards who "lord the fact they do HARD content" over others. One reason we do NOT need the equivalent of m plus in FF 14.

How does someone tryharding affect you tho?

[Darthgummibear]

How does someone tryharding affect you tho?

If affects everyone when content ends up being designed around it.

[Tlamila]

If affects everyone when content ends up being designed around it.

So do you want any ex/savage/ultimate content removed just cause you don't do it and you consider it tryiharding? uh ok

[Izar_Chillen]

There will always be tryhards who "lord the fact they do HARD content" over others. One reason we do NOT need the equivalent of m plus in FF 14.

There will always be pretentious, self righteous karens that lord it over everybody just because they had a bad experience and think its perfectly ok to label the entire community that desire challenging content as one and the same . One of the many reason this game should not cater to those people as it destroys the community because the villain once it gets what it wants will throw it away when they lose interest which is almost always as what they desire is for people to grovel at them and always apologise for something they had no part in.



At OP, I too am looking forward to challenging dungeons . I just hope they arent just hallways with gates of mobs that only have harder hitting autos and actually have bosses with mechanics more than dodge the orange bad

[SweetestLily]

There will always be tryhards who "lord the fact they do HARD content" over others. One reason we do NOT need the equivalent of m plus in FF 14.

Good thing that said content is accessible to EVERYONE. If you don't like the fact that someone else can do it and you can't, then get better, and if you don't want to improve and learn to do it then let them have their hard content in peace while you remain casual. Ridiculous reason to gatekeep harder content being added because some people are jealous of the ones who do it.

[VelKallor]

Good thing that said content is accessible to EVERYONE. If you don't like the fact that someone else can do it and you can't, then get better, and if you don't want to improve and learn to do it then let them have their hard content in peace while you remain casual. Ridiculous reason to gatekeep harder content being added because some people are jealous of the ones who do it.

My point, in case you missed it, has zero to do with whether I can do it or not ( i can if I wish ), and more to do with the abusive, toxic, hyper competitive type that infests other games with things like "m plus", which has bred, and continues to breed, a "Im better than this "baddie" because I do HARD content and they dont....

Jealous? Of what a person does in a computer game? You have GOT to be kidding.. I am not sure what "remain casual" even MEANS in any context, again, doesnt worry me in the slightest.

Just a reminder..this is a game. Thats all it is, thats all it will ever be.

There will always be pretentious, self righteous karens that lord it over everybody just because they had a bad experience and think its perfectly ok to label the entire community that desire challenging content as one and the same .

In case you didnt know, a certain other MMO's fostering of a hostile, abusive playerbase, catering to a certain niche area to the detriment of all else, has contributed significantly to their ongoing mass exodus. it hasnt stopped, you do know that? The flow of players has slowed, yes, but that certain MMO has, shall we say, turned a blind eye towards the reprehensible behaviour of their players and that continued failure has not been conducive to player retention.

From their forums

The whole concept of M+ was built around a timer as a means to raise the stakes and if I’ve learned something from the corporate world is that the stress of deadlines and performance bonuses expose the very worst of the human behavior from otherwise nice and polite individuals.

The design of m+ breeds the toxicity that’s prevalent. Unless they radically change m+, it’s not going away, at least not if you’re pugging.

Id rather we didnt go down that path, if its all the same to you.

[SweetestLily]

My point, in case you missed it, has zero to do with whether I can do it or not ( i can if I wish ), and more to do with the abusive, toxic, hyper competitive type that infests other games with things like "m plus", which has bred, and continues to breed, a "Im better than this "baddie" because I do HARD content and they dont....

Jealous? Of what a person does in a computer game? You have GOT to be kidding.. I am not sure what "remain casual" even MEANS in any context, again, doesnt worry me in the slightest.

Just a reminder..this is a game. Thats all it is, thats all it will ever be.



In case you didnt know, a certain other MMO's fostering of a hostile, abusive playerbase, catering to a certain niche area to the detriment of all else, has contributed significantly to their ongoing mass exodus. it hasnt stopped, you do know that? The flow of players has slowed, yes, but that certain MMO has, shall we say, turned a blind eye towards the reprehensible behaviour of their players and that continued failure has not been conducive to player retention.

From their forums





Id rather we didnt go down that path, if its all the same to you.

Just stop. People here aren't stupid. Don't try to backtrack now. And I really don't believe you aren't jealous. Your post reeks of it. You say you aren't jealous and could do the hard content. I would be happy for you if you could because I encourage more people to challenge themselves ,but you haven't cleared any savage content, don't posses a single savage mount, have never cleared an ultimate and have hidden yourself on "you know where" and you're trying to make an argument that you can't possibly be jealous because you can do the content. Then why haven't you done it? Can only be because you either don't care to do it or aren't skilled enough as a player yet and if it's the former like you're trying to make it seem then you really shouldn't care enough to be arguing against harder content to begin with.

[Striker44]

Just stop. People here aren't stupid. Don't try to backtrack now. And I really don't believe you aren't jealous. Your post reeks of it. You say you aren't jealous and could do the hard content. I would be happy for you if you could because I encourage more people to challenge themselves ,but you haven't cleared any savage content, don't posses a single savage mount, have never cleared an ultimate and have hidden yourself on "you know where" and you're trying to make an argument that you can't possibly be jealous because you can do the content. Then why haven't you done it? Can only be because you either don't care to do it or aren't skilled enough as a player yet and if it's the former like you're trying to make it seem then you really shouldn't care enough to be arguing against harder content to begin with.

I'm going to disagree there. I see where the person you're responding to is coming from. I played WoW from about 2005 (sometime during Vanilla) up through early 2021. There was a palpable shift in the community in general that accompanied the switch to an eSports focus and M+. And that bleeds into PUGs and random groups even if you specifically aren't doing the eSports content.

Someone else brought up a good point that SE is much more on top of enforcing consequences for toxic behavior than Blizz ever has been, which is good to realize. By the same token, however, anytime someone gets actioned for their behavior, it necessarily means someone else experienced that behavior first, and enough negative experiences like that can turn people off altogether. I remember back in the pre-M+ days the social guild I was in had many entire families in the guild, some spanning 3 generations. The last few years I played? Gone. Even though our guild itself maintained the relaxed, social atmosphere, the game itself just became too toxic a place to be.

And I don't think this has anything to do with skill whatsoever (I'm curious if you realize your own post about savage content reeks of the very toxicity you're claiming doesn't exist...). There's an enormous difference between simply choosing not to do something and not being able to do it. Case in point - that social WoW guild I mentioned? Even in the last few years before I moved on, we still generally cleared each raid on Heroic and made our way through at least a few Mythic bosses before the next tier would release. We were sufficiently competent. In FFXIV? I simply have little interest in that content. There's so much other stuff I find much more fun to me personally. That doesn't mean I can't do that content if I actually tried to. So take the elitist bs out of here and stop proving the very point you're trying to claim isn't true...

[SweetestLily]

I'm going to disagree there. I see where the person you're responding to is coming from. I played WoW from about 2005 (sometime during Vanilla) up through early 2021. There was a palpable shift in the community in general that accompanied the switch to an eSports focus and M+. And that bleeds into PUGs and random groups even if you specifically aren't doing the eSports content.

Someone else brought up a good point that SE is much more on top of enforcing consequences for toxic behavior than Blizz ever has been, which is good to realize. By the same token, however, anytime someone gets actioned for their behavior, it necessarily means someone else experienced that behavior first, and enough negative experiences like that can turn people off altogether. I remember back in the pre-M+ days the social guild I was in had many entire families in the guild, some spanning 3 generations. The last few years I played? Gone. Even though our guild itself maintained the relaxed, social atmosphere, the game itself just became too toxic a place to be.

And I don't think this has anything to do with skill whatsoever (I'm curious if you realize your own post about savage content reeks of the very toxicity you're claiming doesn't exist...). There's an enormous difference between simply choosing not to do something and not being able to do it. Case in point - that social WoW guild I mentioned? Even in the last few years before I moved on, we still generally cleared each raid on Heroic and made our way through at least a few Mythic bosses before the next tier would release. We were sufficiently competent. In FFXIV? I simply have little interest in that content. There's so much other stuff I find much more fun to me personally. That doesn't mean I can't do that content if I actually tried to. So take the elitist bs out of here and stop proving the very point you're trying to claim isn't true...

There's nothing "toxic" about stating a fact. The toxicity comes in the delivery of said facts. They were not insulted nor called bad. Stating that someone hadn't cleared something that they're boasting about being able to clear isn't toxic. If you feel it is then you're sensitive and that's not how reality works. And you just proved my point. "There's an enormous difference between choosing not to do something and not being able to do." I already said this. If you choose not to do it that's your own doing and you shouldn't be trying to prevent others who do want to do it. Also "I'm curious if you realize your own post about savage content reeks of the very toxity you claim doesn't exist "
Huh? Can you show me where I claimed toxicity doesn't exist?