Ardbert's Party vs the Scions Analysis

[Theodric]

Each to their own, I doubt we'll agree as to what constitutes a 'minor' and 'major' character on that basis. I base it on plot relevance and the ripple effects of their actions, not whether they survive the events of a game.

It also isn't argued that death for the sake of death is necessary. That seems to be something people like to try and reframe requests for more consequences as being despite many of us being on record as stating we simply want logical, consistent worldbuilding and realistic stakes when a major threat arises.

Though all of this has been pointed out many times already so I propose we agree to disagree.

[MikkoAkure]

Each to their own, I doubt we'll agree as to what constitutes a 'minor' and 'major' character on that basis. I base it on plot relevance and the ripple effects of their actions, not whether they survive the events of a game.

Penelo does nothing of consequence the entire game but she's a "main character" because she's in the party the entire game's length and is playable. "Minor" characters can have more of an effect on the story than "main" characters, but it doesn't suddenly make them a main character. If the media team around FFXII agreed with you, then both Reddas and Vossler would have had positions on the main posters, but they don't. Even Larsa is there and he's also a guest character.

And I never said that whether or not they survive the game makes a main character. Famous FF characters in the main party died partway through or at the end and are main characters.

[aveyond-dreams]

Penelo does nothing of consequence the entire game but she's a "main character" because she's in the party the entire game's length and is playable. "Minor" characters can have more of an effect on the story than "main" characters, but it doesn't suddenly make them a main character. If the media team around FFXII agreed with you, then both Reddas and Vossler would have had positions on the main posters, but they don't. Even Larsa is there and he's also a guest character.

And I never said that whether or not they survive the game makes a main character. Famous FF characters in the main party died partway through or at the end and are main characters.

This still does nothing to justify the current state of the scions or how little in the way of lasting consequences they've suffered over the course of the main story. Many of them have served their purpose. I for one see no reason as to why we should bring the likes of Thancred or Urianger into the void, much less the twins. Tolerating Y'shtola and the de-fanged Estinien is already quite an ask, to say nothing of the rest.

[Striker44]

This still does nothing to justify the current state of the scions or how little in the way of lasting consequences they've suffered over the course of the main story. Many of them have served their purpose. I for one see no reason as to why we should bring the likes of Thancred or Urianger into the void, much less the twins. Tolerating Y'shtola and the de-fanged Estinien is already quite an ask, to say nothing of the rest.

Say what? Y'shtola is blind and needs to use her personal aether to see thanks to her first trip through the lifestream. Thancred spent several expansions mourning Minfilia and had his entire character arc in ShB dedicated to finally coming to closure on that front. Alphinaud is still experiencing regrets over the Crystal Braves debacle. Arenvald (not a "main" character but still a Scion since ARR) is now in a wheelchair and has had to completely shift his purpose from front-line combat to diplomacy. Just to name a few. And again, of course, your post is couched in the whole "I am the arbiter of all things" tone instead of politely offering opinions. I see a simple reason for bringing some of them to the void - they're our adventuring companions. They're part of the party. Do we say we're only going to go to the movies with someone a certain number of times, and then decide they've "served their purpose" and it makes no sense to go see another movie with them? O.O