Ardbert's Party vs the Scions Analysis

[Theodric]

That's deflection. It's alright to state that you were mistaken and leave it at that.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's deflection. It's alright to state that you were mistaken and leave it at that.

LOL, don't want to hear about deflection from the king of it.

And I'm not mistaken. No major characters die in xii after the opening.

If minor characters dying matter to you guys, then XIV should be doing fine. We've lost tons.

[Theodric]

LOL, don't want to hear about deflection from the king of it.

And I'm not mistaken. No major characters die in xii after the opening.

If minor characters dying matter to you guys, then XIV should be doing fine. We've lost tons.

Resorting to personal attacks, eh? Again, deflection. At least it's better that accusing people of hating women for disliking Venat's genocidal rampage, I suppose.

Neither Vossler or Reddas were 'minor characters' in FFXII. They were integral to the story and their deaths had major implications and consequences elsewhere.

This doesn't seem to be anything more than the usual attempt to stir outrage because someone dared to state that maybe one or two more characters could stand to die - something which many within this community seem to take as some sort of personal attack, strangely enough.

[MikkoAkure]

Neither Vossler or Reddas were 'minor characters' in FFXII. They were integral to the story and their deaths had major implications and consequences elsewhere.

Vossler and Reddas are still considered minor characters. Main characters are usually limited to the party and the main villain. Neither of them show up on the posters from what I remember. If you're not important enough to be on any poster or material meant to advertise the game, you're not a main character.

This doesn't seem to be anything more than the usual attempt to stir outrage because someone dared to state that maybe one or two more characters could stand to die - something which many within this community seem to take as some sort of personal attack, strangely enough.

Saying a character could stand to die isn't the same as saying they need to die in order for it to be good, which is the impression that me and a few others seem to be getting. If it had been left at just "yeah, some characters could stand to die", that would be one thing. But instead people keep bringing up about how deaths and sacrifices made other games better when that's not always the case and the examples aren't completely accurate either.

Killing characters doesn't immediately equal writing brilliance or success and 2 recent FF titles that had "kill-em-all" endings aren't universally remembered fondly or much at all and the deaths didn't save them from other problems going on in the production or the writing.

As a final note, the scene you have cited in FFX's ending does not in fact end with Tidus resurfacing on Besaid. He is in the ocean and the scene ends just before he emerges. Anyone can interpret this scene various different ways but it wouldn't be inaccurate to interpret it as him moving on to the afterlife somehow.

I haven't encountered anyone until now who thought the ending was vague or subjective, and the end of FFX-2 continues that same scene so yeah, he comes back after 5 minutes.