Ardbert's Party vs the Scions Analysis

[Theodric]

12 didn't have any deaths outside the intro.

It did. Aside from the character that dies in the intro, two of the guest characters that join the party end up dying as well.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It did. Aside from the character that dies in the intro, two of the guest characters that join the party end up dying as well.

Wasn't very memorable then. I don't recall them at all.

[aveyond-dreams]

Wasn't very memorable then. I don't recall them at all.

Then why would you use FFXII as an example if you cannot clearly remember its critical plot moments in a discussion related to character development and evolution?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Then why would you use FFXII as an example if you cannot clearly remember its critical plot moments in a discussion related to character development and evolution?

Dude, you keep bringing up a stupid burger as to why a whole expansion is bad.


Not remembering minor character deaths in xii is no where close to the same thing lol

[aveyond-dreams]

Dude, you keep bringing up a stupid burger as to why a whole expansion is bad.


Not remembering minor character deaths in xii is no where close to the same thing lol

Elements that take the player out of the fantasy world and forcefully shatter my immersion are something that I will continue to call out. It was too far removed from what I expected of Sharlayan and the whole of Endwalker besides. I don't care if there's "modern" stuff outside the MSQ and away from my line of sight like the frog outfit or the car mount. This however was put directly in front of my face in the main story.

The handling of characters in FFXII was still better than the current cast of Scions at any rate, from having them be forced into making critical decisions, moments of actual danger, and sacrifices that were not undone with as much haste as the examples I've cited previously. As I've also said before, if you are doing something meaningful with your cast members then there isn't a need to retire or kill them off. If you're not, then it is preferable for characters who have fulfilled their purpose to exit the stage so that others can have a chance to shine. Do you agree?

[Iscah]

As I've also said before, if you are doing something meaningful with your cast members then there isn't a need to retire or kill them off. If you're not, then it is preferable for characters who have fulfilled their purpose to exit the stage so that others can have a chance to shine. Do you agree?

I don't agree.

The story needs some characters who are doing something interesting in every single plot, but it doesn't have to be the same characters all the time, and a stable core cast is important too.

In a shorter storytelling format, like a one-shot RPG story, all the characters wrap up their story arcs and "exit the stage" at the end of that one story, and there's no need for anyone to persist beyond that one interesting story about them.

Here, by the nature of the story format, characters persist. The longer this runs, the bigger the hypothetical pile of "dismissed" characters would get, and it would be sad to look back and have quite so many friends lost along the way.

The Scions are just there now, a reliable group of allies. I've seen their personal growth already and they don't need to keep having more of it to remain worthy of my company.

[EaraGrace]

It did. Aside from the character that dies in the intro, two of the guest characters that join the party end up dying as well.

If that’s our measuring stick then 14 meets 12’s example in each expansion.