Hope you got a house this lottery otherwise you'll probably be waiting another 5years

[Siniztor]

Re-read what I said.

There's not supposed to be enough houses. That's the whole point.

The system isn't meant to be perfect. It's simply "good enough." Because the investment in designing and implementing a "perfect" system outweighs the benefits they gain from doing so.

Instanced housing will never happen until/unless it becomes the faster/cheaper option compared to just racking up some more servers for wards/worlds.

Yet amazingly free to play games like EQ2-SWTOR-DCUO all have instance housing for every player... eq2 you can have as many different houses as you want. DCUO have FC halls with statues of your player (that change each moth for stuff lie most damage , most broke items, most pvp kills). and those are FREE to play..

But yes your right a company making Billons a year off subs can NOT do what free to play games can..

Again another sign the world is backwards ..here is a free to play game with all the housing you want... here is a pay $14 a month game we only have enough houses for less then 3/4 the people you allow on the server then also let fc buy the same houses.

[Gunbladesman]

The amount of people defending or lying down and accepting the billion dollar game company can't do these things is staggering. I know SE WON'T do these things but people just flat out giving up and accepting is sad.

[Siniztor]

The amount of people defending or lying down and accepting the billion dollar game company can't do these things is staggering. I know SE WON'T do these things but people just flat out giving up and accepting is sad.

Yea I don't it..they make it sound like the company is broke when....

"In the fiscal year ending March 2022, digital games and entertainment company Square Enix generated approximately 51.01 billion yen in net income, up from the previous year's result of 26.94 billion yen"

They almost doubled the year before 26 billion.....

Id almost bet Yoshi Bonus could pay for instance housing

[Jojoya]

But yes your right a company making Billons a year off subs can NOT do what free to play games can..

They aren't making billions a year from FFXIV subscriptions. There aren't enough active subscriptions to make that much. Best guess based on the unofficial census would be about 200 million a year.

Yea I don't it..they make it sound like the company is broke when....

"In the fiscal year ending March 2022, digital games and entertainment company Square Enix generated approximately 51.01 billion yen in net income, up from the previous year's result of 26.94 billion yen"

They almost doubled the year before 26 billion.....

Id almost bet Yoshi Bonus could pay for instance housing

You might want to remember that those figures are from ALL of their games they develop and/or publish. FFXIV might be the most successful one but it's only one of many, many titles.

I'm not trying to claim SE can't afford to work on a better instanced housing system, just trying to set some of those crazy numbers people throw around straight.

As for the F2P games, they tend to make more money per user than subscription based games thanks to the whales. Just because you don't pay anything doesn't mean others aren't. It's not uncommon for one whale to spend more than a thousand normal players and even normal players will usually end up spending more in a year on a F2P game than they would pay for a subcription based game. That's why most online games have long since moved on from subscriptions and over to microtransactions.

[Hasrat]

Yea I don't it..they make it sound like the company is broke when....

Who's saying anything about being broke?

This has nothing to do with them not having enough money to do it.

It's about not spending more money than they need to, thus maximizing their profit.

Absolutely they could do it. But that's not cost effective for raking in those massive profits you're keenly aware of.

You don't make money by blowing it all trying to meet every players' needs.

You make money by spending as little as possible satisfying just enough of the audience that the minority of unsatisfied players is an insignificant loss.

[Solarra]

This has nothing to do with them not having enough money to do it.

It's about not spending more money than they need to, thus maximizing their profit.

I get what you are saying, but I think maybe we'd disagree about whether the present system is 'good enough'. Housing has been a running sore since HW and it has prompted a lot of discontent. At this point I can't imagine the devs are under the impression that the majority of players feel the present housing system is 'good enough'.

The majority of people interested in housing want a house. The devs have put resources into apartments (nice addition, not a house though) and now the Island Sanctuary.

I do hope they aren't working on the assumption that the Sanctuary is going to be an acceptable substitute for a house. It doesn't offer anything people have been asking for besides being able to have minions running around.
We know Yoshi is fond of the ward system, but I suspect the adherence to it is not simply because they feel that the percentage of disgruntled players who cannot get a house are an acceptable price to pay.
At this stage, I feel the devs are seriously out of touch and misinterpreting what players have been asking for. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened, but if the Island Sanctuary is a flop, I suspect the fallout will be far worse than it was for the Diadem or Eureka.

[Siniztor]

I get what you are saying, but I think maybe we'd disagree about whether the present system is 'good enough'. Housing has been a running sore since HW and it has prompted a lot of discontent. At this point I can't imagine the devs are under the impression that the majority of players feel the present housing system is 'good enough'.

The majority of people interested in housing want a house. The devs have put resources into apartments (nice addition, not a house though) and now the Island Sanctuary.

I do hope they aren't working on the assumption that the Sanctuary is going to be an acceptable substitute for a house. It doesn't offer anything people have been asking for besides being able to have minions running around.
We know Yoshi is fond of the ward system, but I suspect the adherence to it is not simply because they feel that the percentage of disgruntled players who cannot get a house are an acceptable price to pay.
At this stage, I feel the devs are seriously out of touch and misinterpreting what players have been asking for. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened, but if the Island Sanctuary is a flop, I suspect the fallout will be far worse than it was for the Diadem or Eureka.

Sadly i know alot of people that this is the case...This island is gonnabe there home to deco cause Se used the words "Buildings"

I've tried to tell people dont get your hopes up Buildings do not mean housing it means things like barns for animals silos for crops...

If this Island had a house to deco SE would shout it from the roof tops...this forum hasn't stopped in 5+ years with request for more housing Se would wanna shut us up if it was housing

[Avoidy]

The amount of people defending or lying down and accepting the billion dollar game company can't do these things is staggering. I know SE WON'T do these things but people just flat out giving up and accepting is sad.

This has been the case with every dead or dying MMO I've come from. When a few people suggested changes or even just mild feedback, forum defenders would show up and pull bad faith arguments out of their ass about why things were fine the way they were, or why you should "just quit if you don't like it." Imagine their surprise when people actually did "just quit" and the game fell apart because nobody was playing it anymore. Go read the wikipedia article for TERA; it's all written in the past tense because that game is dead now, and all the hours I wasted on their forums trying to provide feedback to deaf ears and fanboy-defenders is time I'll never get back.

Tera was a really niche game and still had fanboys defending it up to the last hour. So it doesn't surprise me at all that a more popular game like XIV, with its cult of personality surrounding Yoshida-san, would have even more ardent fanboys defending every step the game takes. What a lot of them fail to understand, is that it's possible to like the XIV devs for the work they've done, while also criticizing Square Enix for running the game into the ground for short term profit. I think in the housing section, the defenders are split between trolls who want to anger homeless players (all of the "I won the lotto so the system is fine???" type posts) and the hyper-literal people who want to argue over minor points or definitions while ignoring the main point ("well ackshually you say there are no homes, but in reality there are 6 homes available on your entire server??? checkmate!" "well ackshually you say you cannot get a house, but apartments exist??? btw have you considered moving to australia??") and these people are honestly worse than the trolls imo because they consistently hijack discussion to focus on minor points and obscure focus from the main issue.

Basically the only reason to post here is to make your case, hope that in ten years some SE intern sees it, and then leave. Anything else is a waste of time. I am literally wasting my time right now, so I'm going to leave.

[Hasrat]

I get what you are saying, but I think maybe we'd disagree about whether the present system is 'good enough'. Housing has been a running sore since HW and it has prompted a lot of discontent. At this point I can't imagine the devs are under the impression that the majority of players feel the present housing system is 'good enough'.

The majority of people interested in housing want a house. The devs have put resources into apartments (nice addition, not a house though) and now the Island Sanctuary.

By the numbers people keep posting of all the lottery entries... the majority of people interested in housing already have a house. There were, what? A few to several hundred entrants in the final rounds of lotteries on remaining houses across any given server? Even if those final plots had over a thousand entrants each, they're still a minority compared to the thousands more that are already occupying a house.

By the numbers, the players that are put out because they can't purchase land are significantly outnumbered by the players lucky enough to get in.

The system is "good enough" to satisfy most players.

And when the scales start to tip, it's cheaper/easier to throw in a few more wards to keep the (im)balance.

[Jojoya]

And when the scales start to tip, it's cheaper/easier to throw in a few more wards to keep the (im)balance.

Which would be fine if SE were actually doing that as the demand appears instead of responding two years later.

There would be no delayed response if that had been using a fully instanced system from the start.