Hope you got a house this lottery otherwise you'll probably be waiting another 5years

[Gunbladesman]

The amount of people defending or lying down and accepting the billion dollar game company can't do these things is staggering. I know SE WON'T do these things but people just flat out giving up and accepting is sad.

[Siniztor]

The amount of people defending or lying down and accepting the billion dollar game company can't do these things is staggering. I know SE WON'T do these things but people just flat out giving up and accepting is sad.

Yea I don't it..they make it sound like the company is broke when....

"In the fiscal year ending March 2022, digital games and entertainment company Square Enix generated approximately 51.01 billion yen in net income, up from the previous year's result of 26.94 billion yen"

They almost doubled the year before 26 billion.....

Id almost bet Yoshi Bonus could pay for instance housing

[Hasrat]

Yea I don't it..they make it sound like the company is broke when....

Who's saying anything about being broke?

This has nothing to do with them not having enough money to do it.

It's about not spending more money than they need to, thus maximizing their profit.

Absolutely they could do it. But that's not cost effective for raking in those massive profits you're keenly aware of.

You don't make money by blowing it all trying to meet every players' needs.

You make money by spending as little as possible satisfying just enough of the audience that the minority of unsatisfied players is an insignificant loss.

[Solarra]

This has nothing to do with them not having enough money to do it.

It's about not spending more money than they need to, thus maximizing their profit.

I get what you are saying, but I think maybe we'd disagree about whether the present system is 'good enough'. Housing has been a running sore since HW and it has prompted a lot of discontent. At this point I can't imagine the devs are under the impression that the majority of players feel the present housing system is 'good enough'.

The majority of people interested in housing want a house. The devs have put resources into apartments (nice addition, not a house though) and now the Island Sanctuary.

I do hope they aren't working on the assumption that the Sanctuary is going to be an acceptable substitute for a house. It doesn't offer anything people have been asking for besides being able to have minions running around.
We know Yoshi is fond of the ward system, but I suspect the adherence to it is not simply because they feel that the percentage of disgruntled players who cannot get a house are an acceptable price to pay.
At this stage, I feel the devs are seriously out of touch and misinterpreting what players have been asking for. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened, but if the Island Sanctuary is a flop, I suspect the fallout will be far worse than it was for the Diadem or Eureka.

[Siniztor]

I get what you are saying, but I think maybe we'd disagree about whether the present system is 'good enough'. Housing has been a running sore since HW and it has prompted a lot of discontent. At this point I can't imagine the devs are under the impression that the majority of players feel the present housing system is 'good enough'.

The majority of people interested in housing want a house. The devs have put resources into apartments (nice addition, not a house though) and now the Island Sanctuary.

I do hope they aren't working on the assumption that the Sanctuary is going to be an acceptable substitute for a house. It doesn't offer anything people have been asking for besides being able to have minions running around.
We know Yoshi is fond of the ward system, but I suspect the adherence to it is not simply because they feel that the percentage of disgruntled players who cannot get a house are an acceptable price to pay.
At this stage, I feel the devs are seriously out of touch and misinterpreting what players have been asking for. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened, but if the Island Sanctuary is a flop, I suspect the fallout will be far worse than it was for the Diadem or Eureka.

Sadly i know alot of people that this is the case...This island is gonnabe there home to deco cause Se used the words "Buildings"

I've tried to tell people dont get your hopes up Buildings do not mean housing it means things like barns for animals silos for crops...

If this Island had a house to deco SE would shout it from the roof tops...this forum hasn't stopped in 5+ years with request for more housing Se would wanna shut us up if it was housing

[Hasrat]

I get what you are saying, but I think maybe we'd disagree about whether the present system is 'good enough'. Housing has been a running sore since HW and it has prompted a lot of discontent. At this point I can't imagine the devs are under the impression that the majority of players feel the present housing system is 'good enough'.

The majority of people interested in housing want a house. The devs have put resources into apartments (nice addition, not a house though) and now the Island Sanctuary.

By the numbers people keep posting of all the lottery entries... the majority of people interested in housing already have a house. There were, what? A few to several hundred entrants in the final rounds of lotteries on remaining houses across any given server? Even if those final plots had over a thousand entrants each, they're still a minority compared to the thousands more that are already occupying a house.

By the numbers, the players that are put out because they can't purchase land are significantly outnumbered by the players lucky enough to get in.

The system is "good enough" to satisfy most players.

And when the scales start to tip, it's cheaper/easier to throw in a few more wards to keep the (im)balance.

[Jojoya]

And when the scales start to tip, it's cheaper/easier to throw in a few more wards to keep the (im)balance.

Which would be fine if SE were actually doing that as the demand appears instead of responding two years later.

There would be no delayed response if that had been using a fully instanced system from the start.

[Hasrat]

Which would be fine if SE were actually doing that as the demand appears instead of responding two years later.

There would be no delayed response if that had been using a fully instanced system from the start.

Y'all keep misinterpreting this. It's not about responding "as the demand appears." The system is designed to be imbalanced. There will always be demand.

The point at which they respond is when the proportion of unsatisfied players begins to approach the proportion of satisfied players.

Example: As long as they can satisfy 80% of the demand for housing, the system is working "good enough" and they don't need to do anything.
Over time, that number slips, and now housing is only meeting 60% of the demand.
Throw a few more wards at the problem (and let's be completely fair here, even just a few wards, across all housing districts, across all servers, is still a fair chunk of housing).
Satisfaction is back above 80%, problem solved. Repeat.

Numbers used are purely for example purposes. "80%" is their target, but they're comfortable letting it ride all the way down to "60%". As long as they can continue to say "most of the demand for housing is met," the system is working. More than "80%" and they're spending more than they need. Less than "60%" and they can't really call it "good enough."

[Avoidy]

The amount of people defending or lying down and accepting the billion dollar game company can't do these things is staggering. I know SE WON'T do these things but people just flat out giving up and accepting is sad.

This has been the case with every dead or dying MMO I've come from. When a few people suggested changes or even just mild feedback, forum defenders would show up and pull bad faith arguments out of their ass about why things were fine the way they were, or why you should "just quit if you don't like it." Imagine their surprise when people actually did "just quit" and the game fell apart because nobody was playing it anymore. Go read the wikipedia article for TERA; it's all written in the past tense because that game is dead now, and all the hours I wasted on their forums trying to provide feedback to deaf ears and fanboy-defenders is time I'll never get back.

Tera was a really niche game and still had fanboys defending it up to the last hour. So it doesn't surprise me at all that a more popular game like XIV, with its cult of personality surrounding Yoshida-san, would have even more ardent fanboys defending every step the game takes. What a lot of them fail to understand, is that it's possible to like the XIV devs for the work they've done, while also criticizing Square Enix for running the game into the ground for short term profit. I think in the housing section, the defenders are split between trolls who want to anger homeless players (all of the "I won the lotto so the system is fine???" type posts) and the hyper-literal people who want to argue over minor points or definitions while ignoring the main point ("well ackshually you say there are no homes, but in reality there are 6 homes available on your entire server??? checkmate!" "well ackshually you say you cannot get a house, but apartments exist??? btw have you considered moving to australia??") and these people are honestly worse than the trolls imo because they consistently hijack discussion to focus on minor points and obscure focus from the main issue.

Basically the only reason to post here is to make your case, hope that in ten years some SE intern sees it, and then leave. Anything else is a waste of time. I am literally wasting my time right now, so I'm going to leave.