VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[XiRon]

we got TWO mogstation maintenances this week so Im assuming the next pll is soon after all this extra maintenance.
I am begging them to keep giving hrothgar more options it is absolutely indefensible and repugnant hrothgar only have 5 hairstyles in CC. 5. Per face. And we still cannot use all our base race specific hairs regardless of face. That is absolutely disgusting.
They just have to let ears clip. Its not hard, I cant wear a mildly high collar without my hair stabbing thru fabric just let ears clip. Do not waste time making extra head models that dont have ears to flop a viera hand-me-down wig onto our scalps poorly. Please. I don't wanna wait til 7.0 to MAYBE use Rainmaker or Windcaller or any new hair that drops in Endwalker patches.

[Senn]

If I'm not mistaken, in the live where he said about not having male Vieras because he wanted a more bestial race for the game, he also said that male Vieras in lore had never appeared in the game, because they were recluses. But wait a minute, didn't he create a world where everything was filled with light? Did the Viera men and the Hrothgar women flee to the moon, too, to be alone?

Sometimes the ffxiv team tries to make lore fit around the game's development. For example, when ffxiv was getting remade, the team very cleverly created an end of the world scenario that would explain away why the world suddenly changed so much. It's sort of the same thing with viera and hrothgar. Since the graphics team tried to appease both the viera and beastly race wanters, and didn't plan on making the other genders at the time, they came up with a lore reason as to why male viera and female hrothgar were not shown in the game. We know the real reason there was a lack of male viera and female hrothgar was the graphic team's work flow.

In the post created to ask for male Viera, I remember someone posting an interview where Yoshi P said that a rabbit man would be weird. A rabbit man is weird, but a rabbit woman wearing underwear for armor is ok...

Yeah, Yoshi P did say that. But in his defense, he probably didn't have a mental image of what male viera would look like. Some fan artwork that was floating around was of super burly macho men with cute little rabbit ears, and to be honest, that does look a bit silly and weird to me. Or perhaps he was envisioning a more beastly type of rabbit race which would also be weird. Some concepts look aesthetically pleasing, and some just look off. It is what it is.

People also said that he himself said that there would never be a genderlock race again, when he remade the game with male miqo'te and female roe. Lie.

Yoshi P didn't necessarily say there would never be a genderlock again, but he said the lack of male miqo'te and female roegadyn was a problem, and that he wanted all races to have a male and female option available as a sort of fresh start for ARR.

MAC: In adding female Roegadyn and male Miqo'te into Final Fantasy XIV, how are you going to explain adding them in? Any other new changes to the races in game?

NY: The lack of female Roegadyn and male Miqo'te was a problem from the beginning. Rather than emphasizing the reason for introducing them, we're seeing it as a way to start fresh with every race having a male and female option available. While we are not considering new playable races until future expansion packs, A Realm Reborn will feature many more options for character customization.

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I wouldn't call it a lie, just a change of plans. But in the end, we are getting the missing genders, so I don't really see the issue.

And even though they wanted a bestial race in the game, if the company made the slightest effort to get to know their players, they would know that Viera would be more popular than Hrothgar by far.

You know, this same argument was used against having a slim and elegant body type for male viera. A few people wanted male viera to look "classically handsome" - typical masculine facial features and physique based on western tastes. I was constantly told by the same few people that I was in the "vocal minority", and viera would be more popular if they were big and buff instead of elegant and slim. And don't even get me started on male viera's height in comparison to the females... What I'm trying to say is that while popularity is important when considering races and customization options in general, it shouldn't be the only deciding factor. There was still a sizable population of people who really wanted a beast race, and even if they weren't in the majority, the developers wanted to cater to them as well.

But the reality here is one: if they had only made ONE of the races, no one would complain. Perhaps if Hrothgar was chosen, some people would talk about the Vieras, but the matter would die quickly, as we already had the miqo'te. I myself only went after lore about Vieras and fell in love with them after it was announced on SHB.

I don't really understand. Did you want the graphics team to only work on one race? I believe the reason we're even getting male viera and female hrothgar is because people are requesting for the missing genders to be included. So the pressure, for a lack of a better word, is on the developers to include what is missing. But if nothing is "missing", or rather, if only male and female hrothgar were released for example, I don't think we would be seeing viera at all. So I think releasing male hrothgar and female viera was a blessing in disguise.

The franchise has never had a male Viera, because they just want to show the hot women.

Yeah lol

And even though I've never played another game in the franchise, I'd venture to say that the Hrothgar women may never have had a prominent place in the stories, correct me if I'm wrong.

Hrothgars are based off of Ronso from ffx. The females didn't really have a promiment role in the story.

[Chiqen]

I love my viera, but I want to be able to wear my cool RDM hats!!!!

especially since RDM was a Viera exclusive class in FFTA, Plenty of mods have shown that its not hard to just let the ears clip through headgear. If its an aesthetics/clipping issue, then why allow Miqo'te tails and ears to clip through literally everything!?

I might be ok with the promised unique hairstyles, but they never came.

[Viralomg]

Not to mention the Treasure Trove event happening right now and one of the possible prizes is a hairstyle... that Viera and Hrothgar can't use. lol. lmao even.

[Adamantini]

Yoshi P didn't necessarily say there would never be a genderlock again, but he said the lack of male miqo'te and female roegadyn was a problem, and that he wanted all races to have a male and female option available as a sort of fresh start for ARR.

MAC: In adding female Roegadyn and male Miqo'te into Final Fantasy XIV, how are you going to explain adding them in? Any other new changes to the races in game?

NY: The lack of female Roegadyn and male Miqo'te was a problem from the beginning. Rather than emphasizing the reason for introducing them, we're seeing it as a way to start fresh with every race having a male and female option available. While we are not considering new playable races until future expansion packs, A Realm Reborn will feature many more options for character customization.

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I wouldn't call it a lie, just a change of plans. But in the end, we are getting the missing genders, so I don't really see the issue.

thanks for the correction and source. But there's no issue here, I'm just saying the reason for my thinking.

(...) There was still a sizable population of people who really wanted a beast race, and even if they weren't in the majority, the developers wanted to cater to them as well.

(...)I don't really understand. Did you want the graphics team to only work on one race? I believe the reason we're even getting male viera and female hrothgar is because people are requesting for the missing genders to be included. So the pressure, for a lack of a better word, is on the developers to include what is missing. But if nothing is "missing", or rather, if only male and female hrothgar were released for example, I don't think we would be seeing viera at all. So I think releasing male hrothgar and female viera was a blessing in disguise.

for both quotes, the same answer: If they had chosen just one race, and made it all the way through, we would be much happier at the moment.

I'm not saying they should abandon one of the races for the moment and focus on just one, I'm saying they should have made one in the beginning, and although there was a risk that Vieras would never exist, the dissatisfaction would be less since we wouldn't be losing anything.

But that wasn't done, and now they have to admit they made a mistake and fix it. Excuses won't make the races complete, quite the opposite. 3 years waiting for something, and the neglect with the Hrothgar is more than clear. The race they wanted so badly to put in the game is the worst there is in terms of limitations.

[Senn]

I'm not saying they should abandon one of the races for the moment and focus on just one, I'm saying they should have made one in the beginning, and although there was a risk that Vieras would never exist, the dissatisfaction would be less since we wouldn't be losing anything.

But that wasn't done, and now they have to admit they made a mistake and fix it. Excuses won't make the races complete, quite the opposite. 3 years waiting for something, and the neglect with the Hrothgar is more than clear. The race they wanted so badly to put in the game is the worst there is in terms of limitations.

Ehh I don't know. I'm glad that male hrothgar and female viera were released together since it paved the way for the missing genders. If it's a choice between hrothgar having all head gear & hair in exchange for viera never existing or our current situation, I would definitely pick the latter. However, I do think the hair issue with hrothgar needs to be addressed. Like you said, hrothgar has it the worst right now.

[XiRon]

Ehh I don't know. I'm glad that male hrothgar and female viera were released together since it paved the way for the missing genders. If it's a choice between hrothgar having all head gear & hair in exchange for viera never existing or our current situation, I would definitely pick the latter. However, I do think the hair issue with hrothgar needs to be addressed. Like you said, hrothgar has it the worst right now.

> cant use all racial hairs
> 5 hair options in CC while a race released at the same time as hrothgar has 21, ie 4x the amount
> cant use lipstick in CC
> headgear they can use either doesnt account for snouts and replaces head with noticably smaller model, or else floats away from the scalp (little ladies crown, edgar hat etc)
> not even a smidgen of female hrothgar art despite having the relic questline for shb based around the hrothgar native homeland

YEP!
But I think about those people moan about not getting a new hair option in Endwalker and blame hrothgar players, like you DID, its just a genderlocked cash shop item (Lyse). Woe is you, how will you ever contend having 196 hair options in CC? The devs are clearly conspiring against all the poor...Miqote and Middy players...

[Senn]

YEP!
But I think about those people moan about not getting a new hair option in Endwalker and blame hrothgar players, like you DID, its just a genderlocked cash shop item (Lyse). Woe is you, how will you ever contend having 196 hair options in CC? The devs are clearly conspiring against all the poor...Miqote and Middy players...

Not sure if you're actually referring to me or not, but I never did that. I don't think you are, but just putting that out there anyway lol
I'm feeling somewhat optimistic there will be more hairstyle options for hrothgar players in the future. They just might not come out as soon as a lot of people want them to unfortunately. In particular, I suspect more hairstyles will come out after female hrothgar is released. Maybe the graphics team that is in charge of handling the character customization side of things is more focused on the developmenet of female hrothgar right now? If anyone at all is familiar with the inner workings of game development, I'd really like their opinion on this.

[XiRon]

Not sure if you're actually referring to me or not, but I never did that. I don't think you are, but just putting that out there anyway lol
I'm feeling somewhat optimistic there will be more hairstyle options for hrothgar players in the future. They just might not come out as soon as a lot of people want them to unfortunately. In particular, I suspect more hairstyles will come out after female hrothgar is released. Maybe the graphics team that is in charge of handling the character customization side of things is more focused on the developmenet of female hrothgar right now? If anyone at all is familiar with the inner workings of game development, I'd really like their opinion on this.

I really dont see why they cant develop for male hrothgar NOW, we all know femgar are gonna have small dainty female heads that are perfectly human shaped anyway, no reason to put off male hrothgar updates another two years.
(We dont KNOW know but considering bozja used femroe as a shoddy crap excuse stand-in for femgar and female roe are barely bigger than female highlander, and considering male hrothgar use a maleroe base for everything, lets put two and two together)

[Senn]

I really dont see why they cant develop for male hrothgar NOW, we all know femgar are gonna have small dainty female heads that are perfectly human shaped anyway, no reason to put off male hrothgar updates another two years.
(We dont KNOW know but considering bozja used femroe as a shoddy crap excuse stand-in for femgar and female roe are barely bigger than female highlander, and considering male hrothgar use a maleroe base for everything, lets put two and two together)

Wish I knew the answer to that. But sadly we don't really have insight on the graphic team's work flow. It's entirely possible that they are just waiting on releasing female hrothgar so they can work on both male and female hairstyles at the same time for the sake of efficiency. While I think the body will be somewhat like female roegadyn, I think their headshape will be similar to male hrothgar. I'm thinking the ear placement in particular will be roughly the same. It's entirely speculation, but some of the recently added hrothgar hairstyles seemed like really odd choices. Suspiciously kind of feminine. I could be totally wrong about this but perhaps the graphics team was working on fitting hairstyles on female hrothgar and decided to adjust the hair to fit on a male while they were at it, too.