We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Striker44]

How about if you can’t meet the most basic expectations of the way the game is designed to be played you okay with trusts rather than drag down three unwitting other players

It shouldn’t be up to competent players to self sort themselves into competent parties when this game can be played at an adequate level by a 5 year old

First, lay off the toxic elitist bs. Second, the game is designed for people of various skill levels and experience to be playing together. The entire point of the roulette system is to encourage more experienced players to join activities that newer players are still progressing thru for the first time. That's the way the game is designed. How about if you can't meet that basic expectation, you play with trusts rather than drag down three unwitting players with your toxicity?

So it is fine for you that other Players waste your time cause they are to lazy to check Boss Mechanics or even their own Skills and what they do? I was 5 Minutes ago in Alexander - The Heart of the Creator as Healer, the second Healer Level 90, has not even known how to Rezz or what to do in that Level 60 Raid, in the End we wiped 3 times before I left.

Actually, it's expected and encouraged that players go in "blind" when they do a new dungeon or raid for the first time so they don't accidentally have the story spoiled in the process of looking up a guide or watching a video.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

That's why you don't say anything, you just start the vote kick. A bad healer is VERY noticeable, by everybody.

90% of the time it gets ignored. After all, if everyone knew and wanted to remove them, why would anyone complain that you mention it? No, they complain because they don't want them removed and don't want anyone to draw attention to it.

I'll let you attempt to deduce why that is the case.

[RyuDragnier]

90% of the time it gets ignored. After all, if everyone knew and wanted to remove them, why would anyone complain that you mention it? No, they complain because they don't want them removed and don't want anyone to draw attention to it.

I'll let you attempt to deduce why that is the case.

I don't see it get ignored most of the time, I see the vote kick go through.

[Semirhage]

First, lay off the toxic elitist bs. Second, the game is designed for people of various skill levels and experience to be playing together. The entire point of the roulette system is to encourage more experienced players to join activities that newer players are still progressing thru for the first time. That's the way the game is designed. How about if you can't meet that basic expectation, you play with trusts rather than drag down three unwitting players with your toxicity?



Actually, it's expected and encouraged that players go in "blind" when they do a new dungeon or raid for the first time so they don't accidentally have the story spoiled in the process of looking up a guide or watching a video.

Knowing how to play this game at a level beyond spamming Iron Jaws or Blizzard 3, using AOEs in packs of enemies, doing more than spamming Medica 2, is "toxic elitist BS"

Only in the bubble wrapped FFXIV community do you see these takes, folks.

[AnnRam]

The game right now its designed around pressing forward +mark target+ press 1,2,3 and dodge the occasional AOE, and yet people who put 200 hours in this game fails at doing so.

[Banriikku]

At level 60 the player needs baseline knowledge :
Gathering markers (line, single hit or multi hit),
Esuna (Healer)
tankbuster (cleave, single target, shared, AOE etc.)
mitigation(dps,tanks and healer)
AOE combos from bosses and how to dodge these,
Basic Rotation (when to AOE and when single target) and how the job works (Bard - Songs, Dancer - dances and partner etc)

If all of them or many of them are missing then yes the player is in the wrong and should play with trust or train. This is normal and nothing special and NOT HARD and it is not toxcic.

Also calling somebody toxcic/elitist for an opinion is not an argument it is an attack of the lowest level. If you want taken seriously stop doing that.
If you disagree -fine but calling names and say "oh you are this and that" is really not the way to discuss.

Also "going blind" was NEVER THE TOPIC. To the list of was NEVER THE TOPIC also belongs: playing on savage level/beeing the gamer god/etc. , beeing mean or disrespectfull, exclude payers or gate players

When you are going in the lvl 80 or 90 trial (normal) i expect the simple knowledge of the players, if your going at extreme i expect more but some players just dont want to learn or improve (still, this is not about a guide or not going blind). With basic competence i can simple tell you "it is multi hit gathering marker" and a normal player will remember this from lvl 60, 70 and so on. So i ak twice after that it is "kick" or "leave".

And something that annoys me to no end: At level 60 or above nobody is completly new in the sense of "he played only for a short amount time give him time". If you are not to be able to play at dungeon level (60 and above) you have no buisness in said dungeon.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I like how people act as if everybody expecting an extreme/savage performance from random folks. How do you perform such mental gymnastics for 4837598th times and not get tired from it…?

[Padudu]

I like how people act as if everybody expecting an extreme/savage performance from random folks. How do you perform such mental gymnastics for 4837598th times and not get tired from it…?

With how bad the game even explains how to play the damn game without looking at a dozen resource guides, yeah I wonder why casual players have a worse time actually performing their role :I This game literally makes you think you're doing a good job at playing your role until you actually need to know it somewhat in ShB. And even then, you don't really need to.

[RyuDragnier]

With how bad the game even explains how to play the damn game without looking at a dozen resource guides, yeah I wonder why casual players have a worse time actually performing their role :I This game literally makes you think you're doing a good job at playing your role until you actually need to know it somewhat in ShB. And even then, you don't really need to.

Some of the duties say otherwise, especially considering how many people were actually failing the Cape Westwind instance because they didn't realize they needed better gear.

[Supersnow845]

With how bad the game even explains how to play the damn game without looking at a dozen resource guides, yeah I wonder why casual players have a worse time actually performing their role :I This game literally makes you think you're doing a good job at playing your role until you actually need to know it somewhat in ShB. And even then, you don't really need to.

I mean reading your tooltips tells you what to do, sure a few classes like MNK can be a bit confusing to do when you read the skills at level 1 but this thread is not discussing accidentally doing celestial revolution twice because you don’t understand beast chakra, it’s absolute bare basic things like thinking cure 1 spam is a valid playstyle, or not AOE’ing on a DPS or a tank not using damage reduction skills