We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Yeastyloins]

Disappointing. A thread full of players bemoaning other players who may not meet their standards.
I can see why some felt the need to post threads like "I don't like the FFXIV's Community"
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...IV-s-community

However, whilst I'm not one to bemoan others for not meeting some abitary player-dictated standard (which SE themselves don't expect players to meet) I don't think I'm 'qualified' to comment since I'm the sort of player everyone here is passing judgement on: try as I might I'm just not very good at the game - I make silly mistakes too often, am slow to react to mechanics (which I don't always understand) and die more often than I should, and since have been playing for somewhere around eight months, always feel like I should be better. I do also make sure not to go anywhere near the increased difficulty content.

But I love the game all the same and the MSQ was the best gaming experience I've ever encountered. So should I just quit because I don't live up to this 'should be good by now' player-set standard? The sad thing is, I'm pretty sure that some will consider the answer to that question to be "yes".

That thread is talking about you mate. The MSQ has been ruined by other players multiple time due to poor play. People hitting like wet noodles first time I had to go in Titania. Doing Endsinger wasn't filled with joy or excitement, it was pure frustration that people couldn't figure out the double planets after wiping twice to it.

[Bukachu]

No.

Any video game player base isn't some static thing that gains knowledge after X hours of play or X number of levels.

It gets a bit old explaining infinite cycles to people, but all I can suggest is to think deeply on this: For every expert player that retires from this game, you have one that joins with zero MMO experience. Therefore the player base is constantly morphing into something different. Always.

My dude, modern basketball has been around since something like 1890. Does that mean if you head down to the park right now, all the guys on the court should be pros? Does it even mean that the 30-year-old guy that's been shooting mediocre hoops since he was nine should be any better?

No one can assume with any degree of accuracy how another, random person will perform at any chosen sport, including video games. Not at first glance. You do some research on the person, then maybe. But not at first glance.

the thread isnt really about someone being bad tho.

its about someone lashing out when given tips in an online game.

[Carin-Eri]

Well, it's become about both really

[Ilisidi]

That was the great thing about Endwalker's second trial, running it with duty support meant that the only deciding factor was the player. Clearing first try or clearing after ten tries, only up to the player. It's even okay, that this trial, has a slight redo protection. Unlike other duty support dungeons and trials in which you are the only deciding factor, and if you can't bring the minimum, you get to try it again and again and again, till you find your error. In contrast to running with other players which puts a lot less of a burden on you to actually bringing the minimum.

You show up to Ifrit severely undergreared? Duty support is not going to compensate for you not doing a third of the damage to the ball. You just unlocked a sage as your only healer and have not run this dungeon in months, well, better remember those mechanics and read (and comprehend) your tool tips, because Alisaie will only raise you once your back at the start.

[Iustitia-sama]

Imo the best way to sort this out would be to have some form of skill based matchmaking, so casuals play with other casuals while higher skilled players can play with each other. Win win for all I think. This sort of matchmaking can be a good change for mentors too, so if you're using the mentor Crown it will match make with low skilled players, which means you can actually mentor people that don't have much of a clue about the game.

[Ilisidi]

Would you run those high-skill matched dungeons and trials if they have no rewards? The low level, clueless and ignorant players are the price for the rewards. The whole reason duty finder and roulette exists is to give people doing the content someone to play with, regardless of what those players would parse at.

If you only want to do dungeons with players of sufficiently high skill, use party finder and set your own rules.

[VelKallor]

regardless of what those players would parse at.

Thank you for confirming that dps meters are abused and used to discriminate.

[Ilisidi]

Thank you for confirming that dps meters are abused and used to discriminate.

That's what they are asking for, that the game parse all players and then sorts them as high-skill or low-skill for match making.

[Iustitia-sama]

Would you run those high-skill matched dungeons and trials if they have no rewards? The low level, clueless and ignorant players are the price for the rewards. The whole reason duty finder and roulette exists is to give people doing the content someone to play with, regardless of what those players would parse at.

If you only want to do dungeons with players of sufficiently high skill, use party finder and set your own rules.

Sorry but I run roulettes for the tangible rewards, not for the "reward" of playing with others especially if they have no clue in how to play. Sorry but I don't play to carry people, plus there's plenty of casuals that can fill those spots.
To answer your first question, no I wouldn't, I already have to put up with casual, YPYT, cure only healers an the myriad other types of bad players for a small reward, why would I put myself through that for nothing?.
Talking as if skill based matchmaking would stop new and bad players from getting quick queues lmao, most skilled players don't even run roulettes often, I only do 3 of them myself and usually I go with other people so your whole "The low level, clueless and ignorant players are the price for the rewards." point is moot anyway.

[Supersnow845]

Would you run those high-skill matched dungeons and trials if they have no rewards? The low level, clueless and ignorant players are the price for the rewards. The whole reason duty finder and roulette exists is to give people doing the content someone to play with, regardless of what those players would parse at.

If you only want to do dungeons with players of sufficiently high skill, use party finder and set your own rules.

Or how about and let’s circle round to the original point, players who are so bad they make other players experience worse either learn how to play at a basic level or do it with trusts

I shouldn’t have to party finder dead ends so I get people who know how to play the game at a level that has been taught to you for 90 levels at that point