We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[RyuDragnier]

It's fairly obvious to tell when they're using mitigations too, as the difference in healing one who uses mitigations and one who doesn't is the equivalent of healing somebody overgeared and somebody undergeared (if neither are using mitigation). There's that much of a difference in the healing required when mitigation is present that you can tell, especially if you are the one healing.

[Supersnow845]

You make it sound like our expectations are exceedingly impossible, but again...we just want them to use mitigations. And I encounter these tanks way too often for it to be a "non-issue".

This is my whole problem with threads like this, people so strongly fight against the idea that we just want people to press reprisal or rampart when they are tanking, or just press stone if there is no healing needed

People would rather tie themselves up in knots attempting to justify crap behaviour then actually try to fix it

[game_enjoyer]

This is my whole problem with threads like this, people so strongly fight against the idea that we just want people to press reprisal or rampart when they are tanking, or just press stone if there is no healing needed

People would rather tie themselves up in knots attempting to justify crap behaviour then actually try to fix it

am i just blessed with good luck? i don't notice these people. i cannot remember the last time a party i've been in has wiped due to anything other than my own mistakes, excluding enrages or dps checks. honestly, not joking, i don't see the bad players, but then again, i also play warrior specifically so i don't need to.

[Duskane]

too many variables to consider
job boost,higher level job unlocks like SGE and GNB,disabilities or just unawareness,
can't really have any expectations when the game doesn't set any in the first place, I've seen shire weapons in ShB content,I've had 3 warriors this week all have berserk in 80-90 content,have stood around for 5 minutes in e7n waiting for one of the tanks to turn on their stance so we could start and both just did nothing waiting for other to turn stance on.

in a multiplayer game as big as XIV its just how it is.

[Duskane]

You make it sound like our expectations are exceedingly impossible, but again...we just want them to use mitigations. And I encounter these tanks way too often for it to be a "non-issue".

what's the solution then, not like they can police people who don't use mitigation and even if tutorial are forced doesn't mean people will pay attention to it.

[DaddyHrothgar]

what's the solution then, not like they can police people who don't use mitigation and even if tutorial are forced doesn't mean people will pay attention to it.

True, you can't report people who don't use their skills and would be ridiculous to make that into a rule. But you can report those that get hostile towards you for speaking up, or end up griefing you by running into the next wall-to-wall pull and then do nothing and take all the aoes.
The best thing to do is to ask them to use mitigations, and hope they listen. Maybe speaking up about this issue will get more people aware of this issue and change things, but that's a long shot.

[SweetestLily]

It's the jump skips. As long as those are a thing in any game you will see high level players who absolutely don't have a clue about what they're doing. They shouldn't be allowed to jump straight into the newest expansion cold turkey with no system to teach them anything.

[Raoabolic]

It's the jump skips. As long as those are a thing in any game you will see high level players who absolutely don't have a clue about what they're doing. They shouldn't be allowed to jump straight into the newest expansion cold turkey with no system to teach them anything.

I mean, sure this happened in WoW when they introduced skips but this time it's different! Give me a sec. I can tell you why. Any second now.

[Atelier-Bagur]

It's the jump skips. As long as those are a thing in any game you will see high level players who absolutely don't have a clue about what they're doing. They shouldn't be allowed to jump straight into the newest expansion cold turkey with no system to teach them anything.

That or they reaaally need to update the Hall of Novice to better teach current roles. I get that the initial trials are made very amateurish as possible for the sake of players whom have never touched an MMO, but it wouldnt hurt to also add in an "advanced" course where they teach you the basic dungeon rhythm and boss tells.

[Supersnow845]

That or they reaaally need to update the Hall of Novice to better teach current roles. I get that the initial trials are made very amateurish as possible for the sake of players whom have never touched an MMO, but it wouldnt hurt to also add in an "advanced" course where they teach you the basic dungeon rhythm and boss tells.

Even the current hall of novice isn’t actually required