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  1. #231
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCoral View Post
    actrually as a kid i was to busy dating and going out with guys and having a life instend being online going to hot topic,conserts listening to rob zombie parting drinking with friends under
    and going to clubs amirite
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  2. #232
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanzzo View Post
    just a reminder: beside this parent/kids stuff you guys entered into, we must consider the responsibility of the company that gives us access to a service (yep, this game is a service). As such, the company is ruled by laws. So, if we have the rating T (+13) on this service, we must access the same service knowing the intended target clients they are looking for.

    So, if you want to do ERP, if you are into it, just do it without showing it to everyone. Privacy is advised since it's a kinda "forbidden" act inside a +13 age service. And don't expect the devs will aliviate the restrictions just because you do like it or because parents or kids this and that.... Instead, it's easier for them to put even more restrictions/baniments for those who do like ERP inside a +13 age service...

    The company have a responsability. As we all have when we signed their ToS. So, despite the great and emotional speeches, we have to keep things considering laws and legal limits for everyone.
    That's kind of it really, you sort of nailed it. A ToS document for an online game is basically a company covering its own ass and the ESRB specifically does not rate online interactions. Companies like SE, Funcom, EA, SOE, NCSoft, or any other publisher running MMOs of various ratings are well aware that this sort of thing goes on in their game. The rules provide a sort of catch-22. We're not going to hunt down the people doing it, but don't let us catch you doing it. IE: Don't do it in public. It's kind of like mods really, where SE was never too vocal about them until fools started posting their NSFW and porn stuff on open forums and social media where it was visible to the world. Yoshi-P seems to believe strongly in privacy, which is why the ToS document clauses over what is or is not offensive speech to a reasonable person is worded the way it is.

    Provided you keep your elicit writing out of the open public discourse, they seem to have no issue with you. Now of course, doing such a thing with a minor is in and of itself a legal issue, but it doesn't matter whether people do it in M rated games or T rated games. Unfortunately, adults and children alike, people go onto the internet and tell lies. In the end it just kind of falls to personal responsibility and judgement.
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  3. #233
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setesh45 View Post
    Or you know, just don't ERP in a game for kids.
    The game isnt for kids, we're not living in 90s

    and as long as you dont ERP with teens, I dont see any issues with ERP.
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  4. #234
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCoral View Post
    actrually as a kid i was to busy dating and going out with guys and having a life instend being online going to hot topic,conserts listening to rob zombie parting drinking with friends under
    You know you can do both right lol, having an online life =\= having a real life. Plenty of teens still have a great time outdoors, school, academically and still find time to the play the game. I did that too whilst juggling with a part time job, clubs, sports, ect lol. I have met amazing people that I talk to this day when I was a teen online and RL, again I don't think we should deprive teenagers of an online experience because some dude can't stop being horny.
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  5. #235
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukachu View Post
    The game isnt for kids, we're not living in 90s

    and as long as you dont ERP with teens, I dont see any issues with ERP.
    And how do you know the age of people doing ERP with you since we aren't in the 90's and people lie a lot on the internet? xD
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  6. #236
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanzzo View Post
    And how do you know the age of people doing ERP with you since we aren't in the 90's and people lie a lot on the internet? xD
    If someone lies about their age, then the blame isnt on you is it?

    Adult websites are 18+ but teens can lie about their age and say they're 18+ to gain access to them, are you going to blame websites?
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  8. #237
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padudu View Post
    ...I don't think we should deprive teenagers of an online experience because some dude can't stop being horny.
    Sure, but we're talking about ERP here.
    Being horny is quite literally the ... premise and conclusion of ERP ?

    In a game where age is anonymous and unverifiable, and where ERP is not moderated, and there are explicit mods available for, and there are publicly announced ERP venues for ANYONE to attend, we should not deprive teenagers of this experience ?
    Is this what you're saying ?

    To be clear, I'm not accusing you, I'm trying to understand your justification.
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  9. #238
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanzzo View Post
    And how do you know the age of people doing ERP with you since we aren't in the 90's and people lie a lot on the internet? xD
    That's the point tbh. The game's ESRB rating, whether this game is T for Teen or M for Mature is entirely irrelevant to this discussion because humans are gonna human. You'll encounter kids and adults both no matter where you go. You have to exercise personal judgement.
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  10. #239
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukachu View Post
    If someone lies about their age, then the blame isnt on you is it?

    Adult websites are 18+ but teens can lie about their age and say they're 18+ to gain access to them, are you going to blame websites?
    my point is:
    How a company will adress this kind of problem? Since they have to follow some legal directives, they will act ignoring any lie you tell. If ANYONE keep showing altered mined data after they telling us to not do it or if ANYBODY show illicit actions such as ERP in public, then they can do some punishments.

    So, when you said: "since you don't do ERP with teens it's ok..." the premisse of this is wrong already. What really matter is not the age, but the publicity. SO, if someone want to do ERP, do it privately. That's my point
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  11. #240
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukachu View Post
    If someone lies about their age, then the blame isnt on you is it?
    This is actually not considered a valid legal defense in many places, including most of the United States. The responsibility is still placed squarely on the adult.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bukachu View Post
    Adult websites are 18+ but teens can lie about their age and say they're 18+ to gain access to them, are you going to blame websites?
    Accessing a largely autonomous website is not the same thing as an active relationship between two individuals.
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