How to fix housing in 2 steps

[Gunbladesman]

Just because you don't have a house in Ishgard doesn't mean the game has not provided what it advertised.

Also, Ishgard has apartments. Use one.

Anyone who equates apartments to full housing is on some massive copium

[Silverbane]

Anyone who equates apartments to full housing is on some massive copium

Anyone who equates Gamestop marketing FFXIV as having "a new residential district" to being a promise from SE that players will be provided with a detached house has, at best, some serious English comprehension issues. And at worst ... well, let's just send them our thoughts and prayers, shall we?

[ijuakos_xqwzts]

Anyone who equates Gamestop marketing FFXIV as having "a new residential district" to being a promise from SE that players will be provided with a detached house has, at best, some serious English comprehension issues. And at worst ... well, let's just send them our thoughts and prayers, shall we?

GameStop doesn't create the advertisements. SquareEnix creates and sends to GameStop and others ("retailers") who then then distribute them. SquareEnix increases their reach with the retailer's customers and those retailers get the advertising dollars SquareEnix sent their way to promote their advertisements.

[KayRadley]

Anyone who equates apartments to full housing is on some massive copium

I didn't. I said Ishgard has apartments, which is an option one has in lieu of NOT having any housing. It's not Square's fault if you willfully choose homelessness.

[Sairys]

I didn't. I said Ishgard has apartments, which is an option one has in lieu of NOT having any housing. It's not Square's fault if you willfully choose homelessness.

Apartments aren't housing, they're just an FC room you can't lose. (I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of the reason they can't be upgraded.)

There's a whole category of housing furniture that's not available as they don't have an outside section, so they don't give full access to the housing system.

[Jojoya]

Apartments aren't housing, they're just an FC room you can't lose. (I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of the reason they can't be upgraded.)

Full stop.

hous·ing
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noun
1.
houses and apartments considered collectively.

Yes, apartments are housing. The moment you claim otherwise you've lost the debate.

What you should be doing is talking about why an apartment is not the housing you want.

Are they smaller with lower item limits? Yes.

Can you still place interior furnishings? Yes. There are approximately 890 different indoor furnishings to choose from versus 212 outdoor furnishings. That means you still have choice from 80% of all furnishings.

Do you get access to a Chocobo Stable? Yes. It's included with apartment purchase and doesn't use up a furnishing slot. A house owner needs to buy one for an additional 125,000 gil and it will use up one of their outdoor furnishing spaces if they want access at their home

Do you get access to a teleport to your apartment. Yes. It's included with apartment purchase and doesn't use up a furnishing slot. A house owner needs to buy a Miniature Aetheryte that will use up one of their outdoor furhishing spaces if they want to be able to teleport directly to their house.

Do you get access to a Delivery Moogle/Mailbox? Yes. There's one in the lobby of every apartment building that anyone can access even if they don't have an apartment in the building. A house owner needs to get a mailbox that will use up one of their outdoor furnishing spaces if they want a mailbox at their house.

Do you get access to general gardening? Yes. Any seed can be grown in flowerpots including seeds that can't be grown in outdoor garden patches. Flowerpots do take up a furnishing space.

Do you get access to intercross gardening? No. That requires weather, which does not exist in instances (why you can't do it inside of a house interior either). But considering less than 90% of house owners participate in intercross gardening because it's an RNG mess that has a mandatory daily log in requirement, it's not an issue for most of those who want a house.

Weather in instance should not be a technical problem, it is as production priority problem as budget is not an infinite resource and how SE manage its validation process

Not trying to claim it should be a problem but with how SE created the instancing system for housing it is. And your explanation shows out why it's not easy to fix, which was the point I made. Budget is a struggle even for a billion dollar company.

House owners shouting down at non house owners.

Most of us support the desire to get a house and would like to see change in the system.

Statements like "apartments aren't housing" won't get SE to make those changes.

[Sairys]

Full stop.


Yes, apartments are housing. The moment you claim otherwise you've lost the debate.

What you should be doing is talking about why an apartment is not the housing you want.

Are they smaller with lower item limits? Yes.

Can you still place interior furnishings? Yes. There are approximately 890 different indoor furnishings to choose from versus 212 outdoor furnishings. That means you still have choice from 80% of all furnishings.

Do you get access to a Chocobo Stable? Yes.

Do you get access to a teleport to your apartment. Yes.

Do you get access to a Delivery Moogle/Mailbox? Yes.

Do you get access to general gardening? Yes.

Do you get access to intercross gardening? No.

This is a really good list showing how they're not the same as houses which furthers that point that they're not houses, it doesn't particularly matter if some of those differences are, slim, benefits.

• You have to get a free aetheryte, stable, and mailbox because they're missing features of the housing system that would let you access them.
• Given they're not mutually exclusive, those that have houses have all the benefits of apartments as well. While you'd still want an aetheryte, house owners can also skip stables and mailboxes then just use their apartment ones.
• You get most of the furnishing options yes, but you don't get all of them. Outdoor includes rewards, rare drops, convenient striking dummies, etc.
• Given one of the arguments for wards is the "neighbourhood" feeling, outdoor furnishings are better at showing off and a well done yard can encourage people to take a look inside where you can show off even more.
• Participation rates on outdoor gardening also don't really matter, it's a system you get locked out of and don't have a choice about. It also makes sense for it to be low priority to address the issues with it given so few people can access it

Relying on the definition of housing is a matter of semantics and ambiguity, that definition is for the real world and we're talking about systems in a game. The systems are similar yes, but apartments have much more in common with FC rooms to the point that they're not particularly meaningfully distinct depending on your permissions and what your fc has bought.

[Siniztor]

This is a really good list showing how they're not the same as houses which furthers that point that they're not houses, it doesn't particularly matter if some of those differences are, slim, benefits.

• You have to get a free aetheryte, stable, and mailbox because they're missing features of the housing system that would let you access them.
• Given they're not mutually exclusive, those that have houses have all the benefits of apartments as well. While you'd still want an aetheryte, house owners can also skip stables and mailboxes then just use their apartment ones.
• You get most of the furnishing options yes, but you don't get all of them. Outdoor includes rewards, rare drops, convenient striking dummies, etc.
• Given one of the arguments for wards is the "neighbourhood" feeling, outdoor furnishings are better at showing off and a well done yard can encourage people to take a look inside where you can show off even more.
• Participation rates on outdoor gardening also don't really matter, it's a system you get locked out of and don't have a choice about. It also makes sense for it to be low priority to address the issues with it given so few people can access it

Relying on the definition of housing is a matter of semantics and ambiguity, that definition is for the real world and we're talking about systems in a game. The systems are similar yes, but apartments have much more in common with FC rooms to the point that they're not particularly meaningfully distinct depending on your permissions and what your fc has bought.

The Biggest deiffence between Housing and Apartments is you can not add tenants to your apartment meaning if you eternal bond in game you cant live with your spouse....and yard lol

[Netaie]

Not trying to claim it should be a problem but with how SE created the instancing system for housing it is. And your explanation shows out why it's not easy to fix, which was the point I made. Budget is a struggle even for a billion dollar company.

To be honest, most of the time when you see status quo on a simple problematic feature it is more about leadership control which implies decisions bottleneck than a real budget issue. Heavy/Long process validation is not always a good thing. I can guarantee you that some designers and programmers at SE already made some proposals or prototypes. They can be as frustrated as players about a blocking situation. But the thing is, as long as leadership will consider the situation good enough there will be no change, even the smallest one