Reduce people's ownership who has more than 10+ plots

[VerdeLuck]

And still you are advocating for taking the away option.

If you're going to be this thickheaded then I guess yeah, not to punish but for fairness people with excess need to have that excess taken from them so that other people can have a chance to own a house.

[Nepentha]

I've said multiple times it's not about taking anything away from people, it's not punitive, it's not seeking revenge. It's clear that they can't keep up with demand so to be realistic there are no more houses, that's it, anyone without a house now is not getting one for 2-3 years because they aren't adding more wards. They won't restart the demo timer either. The only way to get something out there to get people a chance to use the system is to enforce the rules and ask people who have a large number of houses to give up some of them. It's not about taking it away, it's about equal and fair enforcement of the system.
I care about equal access, which means closing loopholes in the system hat allow people to have multiple houses. Yes, some people will lose their houses, but it's not to punish them, it's to free up those excess houses for other people so that they can ge equal access.
It's not equal access to advocate for someone who hoarded an entire ward 6+ years ago to be able to keep hoarding it while there's no open plots for anyone who started in the last few years.

This is incredibly naïve. The number of homes cannot ever possibly satisfy the demand in housing's present state. Even if you stripped down the people who own more than one home (which tbh won't open up as much as you think it will), the amount of houses that would be made available will be swallowed up immediately and there will still be a demand for it. So long as this artificial scarcity continues, there cannot be equal access to housing features.

The best option is for SE to find a better solution. Instanced housing is probably the best way to go to give equal access to everyone.

[Siniztor]

I've said multiple times it's not about taking anything away from people, it's not punitive, it's not seeking revenge. It's clear that they can't keep up with demand so to be realistic there are no more houses, that's it, anyone without a house now is not getting one for 2-3 years because they aren't adding more wards. They won't restart the demo timer either. The only way to get something out there to get people a chance to use the system is to enforce the rules and ask people who have a large number of houses to give up some of them. It's not about taking it away, it's about equal and fair enforcement of the system.
I care about equal access, which means closing loopholes in the system hat allow people to have multiple houses. Yes, some people will lose their houses, but it's not to punish them, it's to free up those excess houses for other people so that they can ge equal access.
It's not equal access to advocate for someone who hoarded an entire ward 6+ years ago to be able to keep hoarding it while there's no open plots for anyone who started in the last few years.

Again it was not a loophole even a SE employee will tell you they followed the rules to get those houses... Again the rules stated any one of your characters who reached level 50 and a certain grand company rank could buy a house.. Just because the rule changes doesn't mean the old rule was a loophole ..

Thats why they still have the houses >>>>Square Enix<<<< Did NOT want to punish people who followed the rules....

[VerdeLuck]

This is incredibly naïve. The number of homes cannot ever possibly satisfy the demand in housing's present state. Even if you stripped down the people who own more than one home (which tbh won't open up as much as you think it will), the amount of houses that would be made available will be swallowed up immediately and there will still be a demand for it. So long as this artificial scarcity continues, there cannot be equal access to housing features.

The best option is for SE to find a better solution. Instanced housing is probably the best way to go to give equal access to everyone.

Yes and for the exact reason that they can't increase supply to meet demand, the first step would be to eliminate the excess and give as many people a chance as possible. It's not about punishing people but your right to have multiple houses does not trump my right or the rights of thousands of players to get one house.

[VerdeLuck]

Again it was not a loophole even a SE employee will tell you they followed the rules to get those houses... Again the rules stated any one of your characters who reached level 50 and a certain grand company rank could buy a house.. Just because the rule changes doesn't mean the old rule was a loophole ..

Thats why they syill have the houses >>>>Square Enix<<<< Did NOT want to punish people who followed the rules....

agree to disagree then, the currently grandfathered houses are definitely a loophole in my opinion, a relic of an old set of rules that were changed for being terrible, and it seems like I can't persuade you so it'll have to stay that way.

[Nepentha]

Yes and for the exact reason that they can't increase supply to meet demand, the first step would be to eliminate the excess and give as many people a chance as possible. It's not about punishing people but your right to have multiple houses does not trump my right or the rights of thousands of players to get one house.

That's not a real fix. That's just punitive punishment for home owners who are, again, following the rules SE put in place at the time. A /real/ solution to the problem alleviates the need to restrict access, not create more restrictions.

[Siniztor]

agree to disagree then, the currently grandfathered houses are definitely a loophole in my opinion, a relic of an old set of rules that were changed for being terrible, and it seems like I can't persuade you so it'll have to stay that way.

Thats fine ive been trying for years to get SE to fix the housing issues with instance housing for everyone...and stop these band aide fixs.

[VerdeLuck]

That's not a real fix. That's just punitive punishment for home owners who are, again, following the rules SE put in place at the time. A /real/ solution to the problem alleviates the need to restrict access, not create more restrictions.

It's not punitive and it's not about punishing players like I've said many times and you've ignored. It's about giving the most players the best shot.
SE is committed to using wards only so we are not going to get anything else any time soon, they add new plots multiple years apart so the only thing that can be advocated for is a stopgap to give more people a shot at owning a house.
I'm sorry that you're taking this personally because you own multiple houses but the people who own 10+ houses have enjoyed their houses for years now. It seems like it's time to give other players a shot. If that means it inconveniences them then that's unfortunate but it helps more people than it hurts to eliminate house hoarding to be honest.

[Nepentha]

It's not punitive and it's not about punishing players like I've said many times and you've ignored. It's about giving the most players the best shot.
SE is committed to using wards only so we are not going to get anything else any time soon, they add new plots multiple years apart so the only thing that can be advocated for is a stopgap to give more people a shot at owning a house.
I'm sorry that you're taking this personally because you own multiple houses but the people who own 10+ houses have enjoyed their houses for years now. It seems like it's time to give other players a shot. If that means it inconveniences them then that's unfortunate but it helps more people than it hurts to eliminate house hoarding to be honest.

I swear, this forum is a case study in so many psychological phenomena. Here we have a clear case of projection going on.

I realize you're upset you don't have a house. It so happens I think you should get one. I think everyone should.

I just don't think taking houses away from other players is the way to do it.

[Kenky]

the currently grandfathered houses are definitely a loophole in my opinion

Well, good to know that's your stance. But SE has already gone against that stance. They aren't going to touch them. Because they haven't broken any rules, nor used any loopholes.

I get it, you want your fair chance. Everyone does. But trying to take away another players house because you don't have one is such an entitled bloody stance, it's almost pitiful. Most, if not all of the multiple-house owners bought them when it was okay to do so. SE even encouraged it.

Post-Stormblood / Pre-Shadowbringers, a surge of people came in and now the cries and shrills of entitled sods like yourself continue to cloud the pool, for no real reason beyond "I want what they have."

Tell me, would you be okay if I came into your house and just took your PC, under the claim that "I want it, therefore it's mine"? No. You'd be pissed off. Advocate for fairness for all. Not punishing a minority-group. Seriously, all of the house "hoarders" own.. What. .01% of the houses as a whole? You're still not going to get a house even if people are slapped down to 1-only, so why the fangs? Simply releasing the houses (which would take 45+ days, then added into the lottery pool, then drawn, etc) will not guarantee it.

At best, you'd take the house from a player and give it to a bot of a Shell FC. Bully for you.