Reduce people's ownership who has more than 10+ plots

[Siniztor]

I've said multiple times it's not about taking anything away from people, it's not punitive, it's not seeking revenge. It's clear that they can't keep up with demand so to be realistic there are no more houses, that's it, anyone without a house now is not getting one for 2-3 years because they aren't adding more wards. They won't restart the demo timer either. The only way to get something out there to get people a chance to use the system is to enforce the rules and ask people who have a large number of houses to give up some of them. It's not about taking it away, it's about equal and fair enforcement of the system.
I care about equal access, which means closing loopholes in the system hat allow people to have multiple houses. Yes, some people will lose their houses, but it's not to punish them, it's to free up those excess houses for other people so that they can ge equal access.
It's not equal access to advocate for someone who hoarded an entire ward 6+ years ago to be able to keep hoarding it while there's no open plots for anyone who started in the last few years.

Again it was not a loophole even a SE employee will tell you they followed the rules to get those houses... Again the rules stated any one of your characters who reached level 50 and a certain grand company rank could buy a house.. Just because the rule changes doesn't mean the old rule was a loophole ..

Thats why they still have the houses >>>>Square Enix<<<< Did NOT want to punish people who followed the rules....

[VerdeLuck]

Again it was not a loophole even a SE employee will tell you they followed the rules to get those houses... Again the rules stated any one of your characters who reached level 50 and a certain grand company rank could buy a house.. Just because the rule changes doesn't mean the old rule was a loophole ..

Thats why they syill have the houses >>>>Square Enix<<<< Did NOT want to punish people who followed the rules....

agree to disagree then, the currently grandfathered houses are definitely a loophole in my opinion, a relic of an old set of rules that were changed for being terrible, and it seems like I can't persuade you so it'll have to stay that way.

[Siniztor]

agree to disagree then, the currently grandfathered houses are definitely a loophole in my opinion, a relic of an old set of rules that were changed for being terrible, and it seems like I can't persuade you so it'll have to stay that way.

Thats fine ive been trying for years to get SE to fix the housing issues with instance housing for everyone...and stop these band aide fixs.

[Kenky]

the currently grandfathered houses are definitely a loophole in my opinion

Well, good to know that's your stance. But SE has already gone against that stance. They aren't going to touch them. Because they haven't broken any rules, nor used any loopholes.

I get it, you want your fair chance. Everyone does. But trying to take away another players house because you don't have one is such an entitled bloody stance, it's almost pitiful. Most, if not all of the multiple-house owners bought them when it was okay to do so. SE even encouraged it.

Post-Stormblood / Pre-Shadowbringers, a surge of people came in and now the cries and shrills of entitled sods like yourself continue to cloud the pool, for no real reason beyond "I want what they have."

Tell me, would you be okay if I came into your house and just took your PC, under the claim that "I want it, therefore it's mine"? No. You'd be pissed off. Advocate for fairness for all. Not punishing a minority-group. Seriously, all of the house "hoarders" own.. What. .01% of the houses as a whole? You're still not going to get a house even if people are slapped down to 1-only, so why the fangs? Simply releasing the houses (which would take 45+ days, then added into the lottery pool, then drawn, etc) will not guarantee it.

At best, you'd take the house from a player and give it to a bot of a Shell FC. Bully for you.

[VerdeLuck]

Tell me, would you be okay if I came into your house and just took your PC, under the claim that "I want it, therefore it's mine"? No. You'd be pissed off.

lmao what an entirely bad faith argument

[Kenky]

lmao what an entirely bad faith argument

You are talking about trying to take away things that people worked to earn and keep, on the justification that you want one for yourself. So explain to me how that is 'in bad faith'?
And it better not be "One is something in real life, the other is a virtual thing" as a cop-out answer. If it is, then why are you so obsessed with said virtual thing?

You're under the delusion that people who own multiple houses must have cheated, or exploited a loophole to obtain them. That is not the case. That has never been the case. You would think after SE choosing to leave them alone and continue to stand by their decision of not punishing them, that they probably didn't do anything wrong.

You cannot punish people in the Now for what they did in the Past, when what they did in the Past was allowed under that times Laws. To even think that's okay is shockingly absurd

XIV has been out and live for quite a long time. Housing, I believe wasn't there at launch, but pretty close to it. (Maybe Heavensward at the latest?) It's even noticable in the housing wards. Goblet, Lavender and Mist are full to bursting, Shirogane is almost to that point already and Emperyum is brand new (one major patch old!) and it still has a large surplus of small plots vacant and ready to buy. (This last part is obviously depending on your home server. But on average, not all 24+ wards are full yet)

What is your point to all of this? People have pointed out the misinformation and you seemingly continue to choose to ignore the corrections, so where does that leave you?

[VerdeLuck]

What is your point to all of this? People have pointed out the misinformation and you seemingly continue to choose to ignore the corrections, so where does that leave you?

My point is that it's an unfair and broken system that allows people to hoard a limited resource, and that should be gradually remedied over a period of time. They were grandfathered in under unfair rules, but eventually they need to play with the same rules everyone else has. Sure they got here first but allowing them to make huge claims to land and then pull up the ladder after them is ridiculous. At some point it needs to be remedied, maybe 1 house at a time but they should be willing to relinquish them and play by the same rules everyone else has to. You'd hope after half a decade of having their private wards they would think "yeah that's enough time to let someone else enjoy these" but apparently not, they're defending it to the death.
You and several others seem to be content in coming in here to tell me why I shouldn't be able to have a house while some people own entire wards to themselves. The idea of a fair system is so hostile to you that you take immediate offense to the idea of fair and equal access to the system, and equate it to stealing real goods from someone. How long are we supposed to listen to you and people like you yell "fuck you I got mine" whenever someone says they want to have access to housing?

[Jojoya]

My point is that it's an unfair and broken system that allows people to hoard a limited resource, and that should be gradually remedied over a period of time. They were grandfathered in under unfair rules, but eventually they need to play with the same rules everyone else has. Sure they got here first but allowing them to make huge claims to land and then pull up the ladder after them is ridiculous. At some point it needs to be remedied, maybe 1 house at a time but they should be willing to relinquish them and play by the same rules everyone else has to. You'd hope after half a decade of having their private wards they would think "yeah that's enough time to let someone else enjoy these" but apparently not, they're defending it to the death.
You and several others seem to be content in coming in here to tell me why I shouldn't be able to have a house while some people own entire wards to themselves. The idea of a fair system is so hostile to you that you take immediate offense to the idea of fair and equal access to the system, and equate it to stealing real goods from someone. How long are we supposed to listen to you and people like you yell "fuck you I got mine" whenever someone says they want to have access to housing?

I think the problem most of us have with your take is that you've decided taking away things that were fairly earned in the past makes things fair.

From our point of view, making things fair means giving everyone the same opportunities that others had in the past.

Your goal for fairness is punitive.
Our goal for fairness is rewarding.

Which method do you think is going to go over better with people?

[Jojoya]

agree to disagree then, the currently grandfathered houses are definitely a loophole in my opinion,

What do you think the definition of loophole is, in that case?

The grandfathered houses aren't a loophole. They're an intentional design decision so that players who acquired the houses fairly under the rules in the past wouldn't be punished for playing by the rules of the game before those rules changed.

Yes, punished. It's not punishment to you because you wouldn't be affected. It would very much be punishment to those players who had invested large amounts of gil and time into those houses. SE would never be able to compensate those players for losing what they had earned.

As for what is a loophole, it's the multiple FC house ownership per world. The housing guide states the intent is for players to have one personal and one FC house per world and yet SE has left ways for players to get around the one FC house restriction even now without grandfathering getting involved. That is a loophole.

As others have pointed out, the number of grandfathered houses on a world is small. There weren't that many players obtaining multiple personal houses on the same world. They were usually getting them on different worlds (which is an entirely different problem and one still allowed under the current rules).

So let's say those 2-3 dozen houses are made available to other players. That's maybe 2% of the unmet demand met at best. What is SE supposed to take away from players next to meet the other 98% of the unmet demand?