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    I am merely expressing my thoughts as much as anyone has & that triggered most people.

    Why can’t I recjoice on supporting the Devs on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vencio View Post
    I am merely expressing my thoughts as much as anyone has & that triggered most people.

    Why can’t I recjoice on supporting the Devs on it?
    Listen nobody said that you can however you are going around like you no since and/can read the room. As many post that you have wrote in you could not even explain on why you was happy with the change.

    Do keep in mind that going forward many of your peers will not give you the time of day

    And besides did they mentioned in the live letter that is was gone for good? From what i am seeing it did not
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    for a year, would you rather be secretly filmed at random moments and have the footage uploaded to your social media or loose $100 when ever you said a curse word?

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    Right,

    But for now deal with what we have f& what’s yet to come for 6.2.

    Besides, SAM isn’t truly dead as much as you anyone deems it to be as though Kaiten became a martyr.

    I will be frank,

    I do certainly hope they stick with it & address other areas of the game that’s yet much more of a higher priority (whichever points may be).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vencio View Post
    Right,

    But for now deal with what we have f& what’s yet to come for 6.2.

    Besides, SAM isn’t truly dead as much as you anyone deems it to be as though Kaiten became a martyr.

    I will be frank,

    I do certainly hope they stick with it & address other areas of the game that’s yet much more of a higher priority (whichever points may be).
    Listen all jokes aside. No one and mean no one is saying that the class is dead. What they are saying is that its not as fun anymore ( to me it does feel impactful anymore) . If you know read what people are actually saying and not creating some narrative then you would have saw that.

    Do understand that the areas in the game is there own doing and people not allowing proper feed back to get to them correct? Should we go back into the pass of there choices?

    Besides now we can finally understand why on these job changes.
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    Last edited by Axxion; 07-14-2022 at 10:39 PM.
    for a year, would you rather be secretly filmed at random moments and have the footage uploaded to your social media or loose $100 when ever you said a curse word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    He doesn't have any parses at all for SAM because he doesn't play the job and his PLD parses are all grey.
    Don't forget that that is in normal mode content too...
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    R'amura Sono
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    He doesn't have any parses at all for SAM because he doesn't play the job and his PLD parses are all grey.
    So, you gonna show us your parses then? Surely you have some and they're not hidden. Surely you wouldn't be a hypocrite and call someone out for their parses while not showing off your own.

    Using parses as some measure of the validity of a persons opinion is garbage behavior. It's even worse when you do so while not having your own.

    You guys have behaved just as poorly as you claim Vencio to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono View Post
    So, you gonna show us your parses then? Surely you have some and they're not hidden. Surely you wouldn't be a hypocrite and call someone out for their parses while not showing off your own.

    Using parses as some measure of the validity of a persons opinion is garbage behavior. It's even worse when you do so while not having your own.

    You guys have behaved just as poorly as you claim Vencio to.
    I mean there's always someone worse... like the lack of moderation by SE

    Four long months is an actual long time for SE to neglect actual Samurai Feedback, which is about around the same time how long we have been trolled by posters that genuinely do not care and openly admit in their posts with the intention to just rile up players.

    " And with lack of respect, opens doors to not be respectful in response. "

    If we truly want to validate Good Job Design, let the opinion come from a place of Experience. And if the opinion of a player has nothing to show? we can almost assume lack of Experience behind it.

    Look no further in several peoples posts where Zero points are made other then a TLDR of " suck it " posts to Samurai's.

    Nothing about Kaiten's interactions, or the Tenka Goken change, how it affected them in say Dungeons or Fates, how much slower they are doing it because that did hurt our AoE damage output and speed, the Auto Crit changes and how it affected their Savage raiding or Raiding in general. Or how 6.08 or 6.0 or 5.5 or any other patch they played in with comparisons in gameplay difference to 6.1. it's completely empty. There's also near 0 Samurai mains quoted as a validation to any of the posts to support any non-existing points the posters are making.

    Nothing but bashing for 4 months. And that's just on the Samurai topic, let alone what they do with other topics in other subsections.

    The only argument point brought forth by many posters like these have been
    • All Samurais should Shutup
    • It is better now cause its Dumber
    • Kaiten was just a button
    • Just take a horrible change and accept it
    • But you perform well
    • I am kissing Square's feet notice me Senpai

    If that's what these trolling posters Feedback amounts to? you're welcome to defend that by all means.

    By invalidating Samurai Main opinions? with nothing but spamming " just suck it " posts as an argument point? and also not playing Samurai to give Samurai opinions that aren't even accurate? is very disrespectful, very insulting in many ways and very dismissive.

    But we don't kink shame, anyone is free to defend that.
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono View Post
    So, you gonna show us your parses then? Surely you have some and they're not hidden. Surely you wouldn't be a hypocrite and call someone out for their parses while not showing off your own.

    Using parses as some measure of the validity of a persons opinion is garbage behavior. It's even worse when you do so while not having your own.

    You guys have behaved just as poorly as you claim Vencio to.
    I have it set to private for the same reason I don't stream when raiding because people don't need to be seeing names of my static members. Even if they have their fflog set to private if you went to another member that didn't have private logs you could see their numbers through another log.

    https://i.imgur.com/005gbfS.png

    That said, here's a screenshot of a recent kill. Satisfied? I'm no pro player, but I'm not a slouch either and I actually play the damn job unlike that troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono View Post
    So, you gonna show us your parses then? Surely you have some and they're not hidden. Surely you wouldn't be a hypocrite and call someone out for their parses while not showing off your own.

    Using parses as some measure of the validity of a persons opinion is garbage behavior. It's even worse when you do so while not having your own.

    You guys have behaved just as poorly as you claim Vencio to.
    It shows that he barely plays the job. Skill level isn't even a factor when you play SAM so infrequently that you don't even have any normal raid parses that a rando uploaded. We question the validity of his opinion because, really, how much does this guy ACTUALLY play SAM? I would never claim to know better than people who main DRG, AST, SCH, DRK, PLD, etc. Because I don't play them often enough (or at all) to be able to grok anything about their job design and what would be best for their game-feel.

    Feel free to look up my parses btw, in case you think I need them to be allowed to point out this guy's lack of SAM play time. They aren't exactly stellar, but pretty alright considering how late in the tier I started, and my lack of dedicated parse runs. Even have a couple purples which is neat.
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    Minerva Goldwinne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono View Post
    So, you gonna show us your parses then? Surely you have some and they're not hidden. Surely you wouldn't be a hypocrite and call someone out for their parses while not showing off your own.

    Using parses as some measure of the validity of a persons opinion is garbage behavior. It's even worse when you do so while not having your own.

    You guys have behaved just as poorly as you claim Vencio to.
    All you have to do is look up the character names on ff logs. And I can tell you didn't bother reading his post history, either.
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