Thread: SAM: 6.2 Excited

Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono

So, you gonna show us your parses then? Surely you have some and they're not hidden. Surely you wouldn't be a hypocrite and call someone out for their parses while not showing off your own.

Using parses as some measure of the validity of a persons opinion is garbage behavior. It's even worse when you do so while not having your own.

You guys have behaved just as poorly as you claim Vencio to.

I mean there's always someone worse... like the lack of moderation by SE

Four long months is an actual long time for SE to neglect actual Samurai Feedback, which is about around the same time how long we have been trolled by posters that genuinely do not care and openly admit in their posts with the intention to just rile up players.

" And with lack of respect, opens doors to not be respectful in response. "

If we truly want to validate Good Job Design, let the opinion come from a place of Experience. And if the opinion of a player has nothing to show? we can almost assume lack of Experience behind it.

Look no further in several peoples posts where Zero points are made other then a TLDR of " suck it " posts to Samurai's.

Nothing about Kaiten's interactions, or the Tenka Goken change, how it affected them in say Dungeons or Fates, how much slower they are doing it because that did hurt our AoE damage output and speed, the Auto Crit changes and how it affected their Savage raiding or Raiding in general. Or how 6.08 or 6.0 or 5.5 or any other patch they played in with comparisons in gameplay difference to 6.1. it's completely empty. There's also near 0 Samurai mains quoted as a validation to any of the posts to support any non-existing points the posters are making.

Nothing but bashing for 4 months. And that's just on the Samurai topic, let alone what they do with other topics in other subsections.

The only argument point brought forth by many posters like these have been

• All Samurais should Shutup
• It is better now cause its Dumber
• Kaiten was just a button
• Just take a horrible change and accept it
• But you perform well
• I am kissing Square's feet notice me Senpai

If that's what these trolling posters Feedback amounts to? you're welcome to defend that by all means.

By invalidating Samurai Main opinions? with nothing but spamming " just suck it " posts as an argument point? and also not playing Samurai to give Samurai opinions that aren't even accurate? is very disrespectful, very insulting in many ways and very dismissive.

But we don't kink shame, anyone is free to defend that.

Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono

So, you gonna show us your parses then? Surely you have some and they're not hidden. Surely you wouldn't be a hypocrite and call someone out for their parses while not showing off your own.

Using parses as some measure of the validity of a persons opinion is garbage behavior. It's even worse when you do so while not having your own.

You guys have behaved just as poorly as you claim Vencio to.

I have it set to private for the same reason I don't stream when raiding because people don't need to be seeing names of my static members. Even if they have their fflog set to private if you went to another member that didn't have private logs you could see their numbers through another log.

https://i.imgur.com/005gbfS.png

That said, here's a screenshot of a recent kill. Satisfied? I'm no pro player, but I'm not a slouch either and I actually play the damn job unlike that troll.

Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono

So, you gonna show us your parses then? Surely you have some and they're not hidden. Surely you wouldn't be a hypocrite and call someone out for their parses while not showing off your own.

Using parses as some measure of the validity of a persons opinion is garbage behavior. It's even worse when you do so while not having your own.

You guys have behaved just as poorly as you claim Vencio to.

It shows that he barely plays the job. Skill level isn't even a factor when you play SAM so infrequently that you don't even have any normal raid parses that a rando uploaded. We question the validity of his opinion because, really, how much does this guy ACTUALLY play SAM? I would never claim to know better than people who main DRG, AST, SCH, DRK, PLD, etc. Because I don't play them often enough (or at all) to be able to grok anything about their job design and what would be best for their game-feel.

Feel free to look up my parses btw, in case you think I need them to be allowed to point out this guy's lack of SAM play time. They aren't exactly stellar, but pretty alright considering how late in the tier I started, and my lack of dedicated parse runs. Even have a couple purples which is neat.

Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono

So, you gonna show us your parses then? Surely you have some and they're not hidden. Surely you wouldn't be a hypocrite and call someone out for their parses while not showing off your own.

Using parses as some measure of the validity of a persons opinion is garbage behavior. It's even worse when you do so while not having your own.

You guys have behaved just as poorly as you claim Vencio to.

All you have to do is look up the character names on ff logs. And I can tell you didn't bother reading his post history, either.

Originally Posted by Quor

If there has been any "poor behavior" in regards to Vencio then he has brought it on himself. Expecting people to take getting trashed without responding is ridiculous. Trolls and the like need to be pushed back against as they see silence as assent. Furthermore, the devs need to see that the player base is not on-board with the troll and his troll-y ideas.

You deal with Trolls by not giving them any attention.

Giving them even an ounce of your effort means they have won the exchange.

I'll say nothing further here as an example, and the rest of you should do the same.

Originally Posted by Quor

He opens with calling people "stubborn fools" and then retreats to a position of "well it's just my opinion" when called out on it.

It's definitely interesting tho how sensitive people are to similar behaviour that they themselves direct 5000% worse towards the devs.

I agree with your overall point tho, I think it's silly to denigrate people who are disappointed about it.
On the other hand I have a hard time being all that sympathic in the cases when the same people getting upset about the OP are also the same people who can't type a single comment of criticism without including a stream of personal attacks towards the devs.

But I think it's the same mentality on display where people are mad because not everyone agrees with their view and act like their view is some kind of objective fact and that everyone else is dumb for not agreeing.

I find it quiet endearing how the FF14 forums attempt logic, reason and niceties when dealing with trolls, it's what I like about you guys, but let's get back to reality shall we? The reason this clown is trolling you guys is because before the change his parses where low, his midares would drift and he would fumble his kaitens because of poor kenki management. He's being smug post changes because now he can finally play baby's first SAM. He's lashing out because deep inside he was kaitenless before kaiten was removed.

SAM's showing kaitenless behavior should not be acknowledged.

If it bothers you this strongly why further labelled me as infamous by just calling it “troll”?

If anything why even bother?

The deals done & either go with it or forevermore remain under limbo.

PS: You’re upset, I am glad