LIVE Letter Regarding DRG & AST Postponed Reworks

[Avoidy]

I'm glad it's postponed, as someone who heals on AST. I'm not a fan of how every time they touch this job, they gut some enjoyable feature from it (or give it to someone else). Maybe they can take this extra time to think about why people play a job like this in the first place and fix it accordingly. Like yeah everyone's different, but for me personally, astrodyne has done absolutely nothing for my enjoyment of this job. It's taken away from it, actually. I can't manage rng as well anymore because you removed sleeve draw and cut down on my redraws, so the astrodyne buff just ... is what it is, most of the time. There's no thought there. At least divination felt like you were actively working towards a good one, and you had ways to tweak the odds in your favor. idk man. I can't speak for drg since I don't play it, but I was low-key expecting them to just remove the cards entirely because someone complained about how hard it is to target people or something.

[Kolsykol]

The issue is that most people think they are reworking something that does not need it right now. Dragoon at most maybe cpuld get Battle Litany merged with Dragon Sight so its only 1 button press, every 2 mins for both the raid buff and the damage buff on someone. They should allocate resources for jobs which need it more.
Also people are scared that by "reworking" they mean simplifying those jobs to the level of summoner or taking away their identity / core mechanic ( Kaiten).

Speculating about it is just dumb imo to begin with.
They've done reworks in the past that have been very well-received, people just hyperfocus on the most recent fotm issue they have and then act like that one thing is going to like drive every single design decision the devs ever make moving forward.
It's especially silly when the reworks were delayed specifically because of negative feedback recently.
I don't think DRG needs a rework either but it's going to happen and it's just dumb of people to act like they know for a fact that it's going to be bad.
When people do that they're just going out of their way to be perpetually negative on purpose.

The devs have also made great changes recently that have been highly requested like the reworked Living Dead but people just ignore that and act like the removal of Kaiten is like the one thing that is the deciding factor for everything moving forward.
Yoshi-P said that they'll go into further detail about why changes are happening too at this point all we can do is wait, but it's honestly getting extremely tiresome how people are so totally unwilling to ever give them a chance with anything and then just ignore everything good they do.
My guess is we're also going to get larger system reworks for 7.0, the game is very old and I think 7.0 will be treated as a fresh start of sorts.
They've hinted on it and I think there's a lot of context we simply don't have of what's going to happen in the future.

Snip.

They're not going to remove the cards, I think we can pretty safely say that.
I do think it's possible however they'll be more like the PvP cards tho.

[Supersnow845]

AST apm is perfectly fine in my opinion, it's actually the same as in ShB and as mentioned there's nothing wrong with some jobs having a busier playstyle.

AST's main issue is too many buttons being filler or worthless. Redraw is a fraction of a percent dps utilized correctly. Similarly Astrodyne is a glorified Lucid Dream and the 2 and 3 seal buffs are again a fraction of a percent. MA is basically a single free aoe Malefic every 2 minutes. Also the APM has been funneled into the 2 minute burst window now, so you break your fingers every 120 sec with long stretches of not doing much in between and Lightspeed is held hostage by this burst window.

If they can address all those it'll be a big improvement, but lowering overall APM isn't really necessary.

AST has massive APM problems on controller though, without forcing target macros into the system (which still gives AST higher APM on controller) then AST has such disgusting APM it blows right past NIN into a class of its own, this game really isn’t designed for septuple weaves

[BiddyBatnana]

DRG needs more Jumps.. never enough jumps !

[Asari5]

DRG needs more Jumps.. never enough jumps !

real jumps pls... to jump over dmg areas unharmed

[Azuri]

People seem to miss why they said they need to change DRG

This game is supposed to last ten more years give or take, what can they feasibly do with DRG in the next expansion that won’t completely mess up a current system it has, merging litany and sight and giving stardiver some more potency won’t be enough for even one more expansion let alone 3 to 4, I don’t think anyone wants to give DRG the SMN treatment but it also shouldn’t fall into the RDM trap where every expansion basically amounts to “new potencies and another finisher on top of your other 4 finishers”

As for AST the only reason I have ever heard to keep AST as it is is that it’s more complex than the other healers even if it’s clunky as hell, it needs to be redesigned

"So yeah... uhmm... we are going to make your job suck and remove all skill expression from it but... Ehhh... six years down the line you'll get something cool."

Asinine.

[Supersnow845]

"So yeah... uhmm... we are going to make your job suck and remove all skill expression from it but... Ehhh... six years down the line you'll get something cool."

Asinine.

Hey don’t shoot the messenger, people are so scared of DRG getting the SMN treatment (not that I even think SMN is particularly bad, just a bit simple but objectively better than old warlock SMN) they just close themselves off to what the explained reason is

Agree or disagree you can’t deny the merits of it, we can already see cracks forming in EW where systems stacked on systems bloats the job in strange ways, we had to turn our old gauge into a trait to make way for a new gauge that functionally does nothing, are we just going to continue to do that for 4 more expansions, something has to give and it’s going to give soon the way it’s going

As much as the established playerbase whines about it, slight tweaks around the edges and potency buffs don’t attract new people to a job

[Azuri]

Hey don’t shoot the messenger, people are so scared of DRG getting the SMN treatment (not that I even think SMN is particularly bad, just a bit simple but objectively better than old warlock SMN) they just close themselves off to what the explained reason is

Agree or disagree you can’t deny the merits of it, we can already see cracks forming in EW where systems stacked on systems bloats the job in strange ways, we had to turn our old gauge into a trait to make way for a new gauge that functionally does nothing, are we just going to continue to do that for 4 more expansions, something has to give and it’s going to give soon the way it’s going

As much as the established playerbase whines about it, slight tweaks around the edges and potency buffs don’t attract new people to a job

There are no merits to it. The job is fine. Some don't play it. And that's fine. Don't touch it and everything will be great.

It's not hard.

[Supersnow845]

There are no merits to it. The job is fine. Some don't play it. And that's fine. Don't touch it and everything will be great.

It's not hard.

Correct the job is fine right now but there is functionally nothing that can be done to it in the future, the job is far too static and far too rigid, something has to give and it’s going to give soon, a job can’t stay in its current form forever no matter how much you like it

[Azuri]

Correct the job is fine right now but there is functionally nothing that can be done to it in the future, the job is far too static and far too rigid, something has to give and it’s going to give soon, a job can’t stay in its current form forever no matter how much you like it

Oh, it absolutely can. SE just need to get their grubby hands off of it.