Distressed Manderville Attire female compatible pls

[Treesus]

In a perfect world reason I want to see more locked gear is because I would like for them to take more time and care to properly design a few sets with each races features in mind. As an example tales are often forgotten about. I am not saying the lock everything, but having more uniquely representative armor is a net positive imo. We can have both, not everything has to be available to everyone, it is only to have some things locked behind certain things.

Wouldnt a better solution be advocating for the devs to take more time on each outfit to add the smaller features for when they are equipped to certain races (tail bows, ear holes, ect) and still have that entire outfit be available to every gender and race, rather then attempting to force the idea that outfits should be gender/race specific just so it can have those small features? I to a point get where your coming from, but I think your giving yourself this idea that the ONLY way those aspects would be accounted for is by having specific locked gear. And I dont think thats the case. Im all for pushing devs to keep all races and genders in mind when making outfits, but locking them behind specific genders/races just limits peoples option pool and causes unnecessary frustration for situations where a race may have a glamour specific piece that would still look great on other races, but is simply unavailable to them. Its just punishing people for playing the character they wish to play.

[Bobby66]

Wouldnt a better solution be advocating for the devs to take more time on each outfit to add the smaller features for when they are equipped to certain races (tail bows, ear holes, ect) and still have that entire outfit be available to every gender and race, rather then attempting to force the idea that outfits should be gender/race specific just so it can have those small features? I to a point get where your coming from, but I think your giving yourself this idea that the ONLY way those aspects would be accounted for is by having specific locked gear. And I dont think thats the case. Im all for pushing devs to keep all races and genders in mind when making outfits, but locking them behind specific genders/races just limits peoples option pool and causes unnecessary frustration for situations where a race may have a glamour specific piece that would still look great on other races, but is simply unavailable to them. Its just punishing people for playing the character they wish to play.

That is the thing what I would love to see are outfits that are designed for that race in mind, not just being taken into consideration. I would love for them to expand on the lore of each race and faction lore using other means like attire. Attire plays a hug role in many cultures, and I would like to see that directed in the game itself also. I am all for them taking more care with outfits in general but that is not what I am asking, nor do I think others that are in favor of the position are also asking for either. I feel what we want are outfits that reflect a certain race, faction, and gender that reflect and highlights what makes them, them.

As I said not everything has to be for everyone. I generally do miss that aspect of MMO's where races had different stats, abilities, and attire / aesthetic that is solely theirs.

[Treesus]

I feel what we want are outfits that reflect a certain race, faction, and gender that reflect and highlights what makes them, them.

As I said not everything has to be for everyone. I generally do miss that aspect of MMO's where races had different stats, abilities, and attire / aesthetic that is solely theirs.

Im all for more race/area themed outfits, but they should never be gender or race locked. All locking atire does is add a small feeling of "ooo im special" to a incredibly small amount of the playerbase while causing everyone else grief should they have a desire to use said items. And this idea is lessened even more should the good looking items be attached to a popular race, such as miqote. It dosent matter how "special" the item is if its still being used by 75 percent of the player base since so many people play one of 2- arguably 3- races. Outside of starter gear, race locked gear should never be used again. If players want to feel special, they should put the time and effort into creating interesting glams. Also, the ideas of stats/abilities/ ect in mmos is sadly, an outdated system. Heres the thing, all those are lovely to think about, but in implementation they quickly fall apart. Make racial too good, all the playerbase floods to one race. Make them too weak, they add next to nothing to the race and are basically redundant. Same ideas go with stats, and if they were implemented, glamour. Tying anything to an MMORPG race quickly takes the "RPG" aspect out simply because your forcing players to be specific races to get whatever benefit is with said race. Its the same reason WoW racial passives have been nerfed into the ground, and why many MMOs avoid that system nowdays. FF14 is as said, and RPG first, and an MMO second. They want players to be able to play as they want to. Adding anything, passives, racial stats, and yes, glamour, to specific races takes that aspect of choice away from a player, and has no place in any game actually concerned with being an RPG. Thats why the vast majority of MMOs that still hold fast to those kinds of systems are usually abusing them heavily. Neverwinter is a great example, where the best racial stats are from paytowin drops from lootboxes races. I have and play on alts of almost every race, on a regular basis, and the locking of starter gear has caused me no small amount of torment given there are items that would look fantastic on other races, but are completely inaccessible. My best example is the highlander hempen top. One of the best looking and most unique tops in the game, arbitrarily attached to a single race. If people want to feel special, they should find it in their own ways. But using this idea of wanting to be special as a way to try and make glams that will be gatekept from others is not good design.

[Bobby66]

Im all for more race/area themed outfits, but they should never be gender or race locked. All locking atire does is add a small feeling of "ooo im special" to a incredibly small amount of the playerbase while causing everyone else grief should they have a desire to use said items. And this idea is lessened even more should the good looking items be attached to a popular race, such as miqote. It dosent matter how "special" the item is if its still being used by 75 percent of the player base since so many people play one of 2- arguably 3- races. Outside of starter gear, race locked gear should never be used again. If players want to feel special, they should put the time and effort into creating interesting glams. Also, the ideas of stats/abilities/ ect in mmos is sadly, an outdated system. Heres the thing, all those are lovely to think about, but in implementation they quickly fall apart. Make racial too good, all the playerbase floods to one race. Make them too weak, they add next to nothing to the race and are basically redundant. Same ideas go with stats, and if they were implemented, glamour. Tying anything to an MMORPG race quickly takes the "RPG" aspect out simply because your forcing players to be specific races to get whatever benefit is with said race. Its the same reason WoW racial passives have been nerfed into the ground, and why many MMOs avoid that system nowdays. FF14 is as said, and RPG first, and an MMO second. They want players to be able to play as they want to. Adding anything, passives, racial stats, and yes, glamour, to specific races takes that aspect of choice away from a player, and has no place in any game actually concerned with being an RPG. Thats why the vast majority of MMOs that still hold fast to those kinds of systems are usually abusing them heavily. Neverwinter is a great example, where the best racial stats are from paytowin drops from lootboxes races. I have and play on alts of almost every race, on a regular basis, and the locking of starter gear has caused me no small amount of torment given there are items that would look fantastic on other races, but are completely inaccessible. My best example is the highlander hempen top. One of the best looking and most unique tops in the game, arbitrarily attached to a single race. If people want to feel special, they should find it in their own ways. But using this idea of wanting to be special as a way to try and make glams that will be gatekept from others is not good design.

That is the thing I feel it is okay to have that feeling of ooo im special this is something only a certain group of people can use. I feel that is a nice thing to have in MMO's that are locked behind certain things and I do feel the game should have more. I like running around in games and seeing people wear things that I cannot get. I like seeing outfits I cannot simply duplicate with effort / money / time. Even if 75% of the player base plays Miqote not like that is all I am going to see. As I said it more so about expression of the character within the game world. I would love to see outfits tied to a races culture.

In the end you are talking to a person that is 100% okay with having races be inherently better because of stats or abilities tied to their race. I do miss the time when certain races were special for certain aspects in a game. Sure it is not good design in terms of balance, but I do think balance in an MMO is kinda boring. I like seeing meta comps, I like doing things that break the meta or go against the mold. If someone wants to be meta that is the choice they make, I do not think it takes away any choice just because someone feels they are pigeon hold into a certain race for whatever reason that is still a choice they have made.

I played as a Goblin in WoW despite Orc and Troll being objectively better for hunter because I enjoyed the aesthetic of goblin, I played SV even though MM was objectively better at the time for PvE.

In short I am okay and I am glad at the very least we have racial starter gear and AF gear. Not saying I am glad you went through torment but I personally like that feeling of DAMN that is dope too bad I am not going to race or gender change for it. I am glad when I find things I can no longer get it hype to see stuff like that to me.

[Treesus]

In short I am okay and I am glad at the very least we have racial starter gear and AF gear. Not saying I am glad you went through torment but I personally like that feeling of DAMN that is dope too bad I am not going to race or gender change for it. I am glad when I find things I can no longer get it hype to see stuff like that to me.

Eh, I guess thats fair. But I think with that you should also realize your (most likely) in the vast minority with that mindset. Not saying its wrong, just not how most people think. A large portion of the MMO community has made it very clear in dozens of different games that they dislike these kinds of mechanics, and while like I said they sound nice on paper, for most they fall apart in implication. These issues of racial specific gear could be overall mitigated if the option to change your race/gender at any time with little penalty were more widespread. At least then it would be an easy change back and forth should you REALLY just want to use that one item or whatever, but given its 10USD just to race change, its kind a sore spot for many and adding more race specific stuff would only make it worse for many. I do think theres something to be said about making races feel "unique", but I feel like stats and glams are just not the place for it. On a personal opinion, id love to see a much larger expansion to stuff like facial addons or tattoos specific to races/factions. Something small enough that it wont cause much frustration, but would give some people that extra flare to really make them attached to their race. There's a balancing act between adding things people can use to feel special, while making them not so significant to make people feel they are loosing out by not having them. Its not easy to do.

[Bobby66]

Eh, I guess thats fair. But I think with that you should also realize your (most likely) in the vast minority with that mindset. Not saying its wrong, just not how most people think. A large portion of the MMO community has made it very clear in dozens of different games that they dislike these kinds of mechanics, and while like I said they sound nice on paper, for most they fall apart in implication. These issues of racial specific gear could be overall mitigated if the option to change your race/gender at any time with little penalty were more widespread. At least then it would be an easy change back and forth should you REALLY just want to use that one item or whatever, but given its 10USD just to race change, its kind a sore spot for many and adding more race specific stuff would only make it worse for many. I do think theres something to be said about making races feel "unique", but I feel like stats and glams are just not the place for it. On a personal opinion, id love to see a much larger expansion to stuff like facial addons or tattoos specific to races/factions. Something small enough that it wont cause much frustration, but would give some people that extra flare to really make them attached to their race. There's a balancing act between adding things people can use to feel special, while making them not so significant to make people feel they are loosing out by not having them. Its not easy to do.

Oh I understand I am in the minority. I do agree having more character based features like tattoos or jewelry options at character creation would be awesome.

[VictorTheed]

I don't know if this is a bannable phrase or not, but I refuse to give up my 1st amendment right by catering to SJWs or a very wealthy corporation by self censoring my thoughts cause some would strongly disagree but I support gender locked outfits and I personally think we need more of them, not less.

Plz stop with all this woke crap.

[Serilda]

That is the thing what I would love to see are outfits that are designed for that race in mind, not just being taken into consideration. I would love for them to expand on the lore of each race and faction lore using other means like attire. Attire plays a hug role in many cultures, and I would like to see that directed in the game itself also.

I feel what we want are outfits that reflect a certain race, faction, and gender that reflect and highlights what makes them, them.

Can we not have it both ways, though? I would love to see more outfits designed to complement specific physical traits of the various races. But if they're wearable by everyone - yet designed to look best on one specific race - the player is in control of how they want their character to look. If they make gear which is designed to highlight the physique of a hrothgar or roegadyn and it looks terrible on a skinnier race, that would be fine - but I'd like to have the right to decide whether the design team's idea of 'terrible' matches my own aesthetic, and the boots/gloves etc would probably look fine on everybody so mindlessly locking the lot would just be annoying. My character is a male elezen and looks amazing in long boots, yet there are many long boots which are locked away because I stupidly made him male back when I didn't understand that female characters get preferential treatment in this game. Meanwhile, my friend who plays a female miqo'te is stuck with a bunch of sexy short-shots and thigh-high boots she doesn't want. The development team think that female miqo'te should walk around with their thighs exposed all the time but my friend disagrees. Any new race-locked gear for miqo'te would be a disappointment for her, but she'd like a wider range of options just like anybody else. I don't really like the idea of the designers picking out what looks best for each individual character based on a narrow definition of how each race should be styled; they're not the ones who have to stare at our WoL for the whole game, we are.

The roleplayers also get a win by being able to have (say) a viera who was raised by lalafell dress in their adoptive culture's attire rather than illogically conforming to a style of dress which makes no sense for their backstory. You can have something special without excluding people. And in the case of this specific topic, there is nothing remotely special or culturally significant about the distressed Manderville attire. It's not even an especially good glamour since it's a joke/cosplay set. I don't see any universe in which being 'special' and having a set gender-locked in my favor makes up for the lack of the flashier hairstyles and costumes that players with female characters get to choose from on Mog Station. If protecting my right to be 'special' for having picked a male character is causing me to lose out on having a fair share of content, I don't want to be special.

[hagare]

Then I'd wear something else. Seems like a simple solution.
Doesn't mean I'd wear RSE. Just because I want to see it, doesn't mean I want to wear it.

Also it seems like you think I want every item locked in some way. That isn't the case.

I mean, you could already do that now. Just stick with gender exclusive stuff.

[Raikai]

I'm surprised that the Distressed Manderville outfit wasn't prepared for females too, given the regular Manderville outfit (which is the SAME model) works.

Yeah, it would be more work, but since the item got to be a mogstation feature... it would attract more buyers.