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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    You speak as if the game doesn't already have race popularity/gender popularity. In fact you play one of those races yourself. Having more to work with can make it possible to be more creative but the same could be said when having less to work with. Right now uniqueness is a rare thing to see and thats WITH us having many different options.
    Uniqueness goes out the door when said items are available for everyone.
    How does uniqueness go out the door when everyone has excess to the same items? (´・ω・`)?
    Items/outfits get popular and, eventually, overused because people gravitate to those items/outfits. You speak as if it the same thing wouldn't happen even if there was more items locked behind race and gender. In fact, it would make popular races and genders more frequent as popular aesthetics get locked behind them.
    And to throw the question I asked Canadane at you: What would you do if Female Hyurs didn't have the aesthetic you wanted (which I assume is the heavy armor look)? Would you change to the race and gender combination or would you stick with the generic fantasy girl aesthetic female Hyur have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Coming from the Miqo'te who has worn the same gender-and-race-neutral glamour since ARR. (o´꒳`o )
    I'm curious: what would you do if the dev team did embrace the race and gender restriction you want and locked your Glacial Coat behind playing as a none-Miqo'te, male character? Would you change to add to the diversity? Or would you embrace the kawaii nature expected of Female Miqo'te?
    Because that is what race and gender locking items will do; set aesthetic-expectations on races and genders.
    Then I'd wear something else. Seems like a simple solution.
    Doesn't mean I'd wear RSE. Just because I want to see it, doesn't mean I want to wear it.

    Also it seems like you think I want every item locked in some way. That isn't the case.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Also it seems like you think I want every item locked in some way. That isn't the case.
    Not at all. (*´▽`*)
    My thought process is that those who push for these kind of restriction really need to take a long, hard think about what would happen if such restriction were to happen and how would it affect there personal aesthetic. With how open the glamour system is now, in terms of race and gender, things like a female Miqo'te ready for a harsh winter, a battle harden female Hyur, and so on are possible. What if the dev's image of a race doesn't their own; it would create a conflict of choosing a race because you like them but might not like the aesthetic associated with them or picking a race you might not be too interested in but like the aesthetic they were assigned.
    Not that people already don't do these things but with a more open system like we have now, it gives people a better chance of going for the look they want. (❛▿❛✿)
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Not at all. (*´▽`*)
    My thought process is that those who push for these kind of restriction really need to take a long, hard think about what would happen if such restriction were to happen and how would it affect there personal aesthetic. With how open the glamour system is now, in terms of race and gender, things like a female Miqo'te ready for a harsh winter, a battle harden female Hyur, and so on are possible. What if the dev's image of a race doesn't their own; it would create a conflict of choosing a race because you like them but might not like the aesthetic associated with them or picking a race you might not be too interested in but like the aesthetic they were assigned.
    Not that people already don't do these things but with a more open system like we have now, it gives people a better chance of going for the look they want. (❛▿❛✿)
    Thing is I'm not saying you're wrong. But sorry it's not what's often seen. There's a reason folks talk about people wearing the same stuff and most people looking the same. We could have a million options but you'd still see the same few things for the most part. I haven't seen a battle hardened Female Miqo in years. For the most part they're just waifu variations of each other with the same tops n skirt. Au'ra and Viera aren't to much better in that regard.

    Though admittedly that COULD be a server issue
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    Thing is I'm not saying you're wrong. But sorry it's not what's often seen. There's a reason folks talk about people wearing the same stuff and most people looking the same. We could have a million options but you'd still see the same few things for the most part. I haven't seen a battle hardened Female Miqo in years. For the most part they're just waifu variations of each other with the same tops n skirt. Au'ra and Viera aren't to much better in that regard.

    Though admittedly that COULD be a server issue
    The game in large isn't really a good place if you want to see a diverse set of outfits. People just go for what floats their boat and don't really experiment (plus a pinch of horny-on-main methinks). (๑˃́ꇴ˂̀๑)
    I would suggest looking for groups or individuals who are interested in making interesting glamour.
    EorzeaCollection for example is a website where people post pics of there glamour. While it does have the same same-glamour-itous problem as the game, there also a wide array of nice glamour on it for almost any taste.
    Even on the forums, each race has "Show your [blank]" thread where people post pics of their characters. There are quiet a few gems if you take a look. ( ´ ▽ ` )ノ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    The game in large isn't really a good place if you want to see a diverse set of outfits. People just go for what floats their boat and don't really experiment (plus a pinch of horny-on-main methinks). (๑˃́ꇴ˂̀๑)
    I would suggest looking for groups or individuals who are interested in making interesting glamour.
    EorzeaCollection for example is a website where people post pics of there glamour. While it does have the same same-glamour-itous problem as the game, there also a wide array of nice glamour on it for almost any taste.
    Even on the forums, each race has "Show your [blank]" thread where people post pics of their characters. There are quiet a few gems if you take a look. ( ´ ▽ ` )ノ
    I remember looking through that a few years back (think I posted once on there myself but I don't remember xD). But while that's a good spot to see diversity and uniqueness its kind of bad that you have to look outside of the game to see it. And that's where my viewpoint stems from
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    ah yes...I would like a woman to walk out of my apartment in tattered clothes like we had aggressive negotiations.
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    I remember looking through that a few years back (think I posted once on there myself but I don't remember xD). But while that's a good spot to see diversity and uniqueness its kind of bad that you have to look outside of the game to see it. And that's where my viewpoint stems from
    You have to also remember that not everyone is dressing to be unique or creative; they're dressing to match a look and/or aesthetic they like. For those of use who do experiment with glamour, having less restrictions is a boon. °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°
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    You could add 100 pieces of epic RSE that turns fem au'ra, miqo, viera and midlanders into battle hardened warriors, glorious archmages, or dashing rogues... And there would still be more casual/frilly/bikini waifus than anything else for those races.
    The races are top tier waifu bait and no amount of RSE gear would majorly shift things.

    Personally I'd hate to see massive amounts more locked gear, especially race locked. but if they did add locked gear I think it would be better to add more GC armors since the game treats your city state choice more importantly than your race choice at basically all times.
    On topic though I wouldn't mind it being unlocked, and with some of the female outfits they've released I don't think they'd be too bashful about a female version of this glam.
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    In a perfect world reason I want to see more locked gear is because I would like for them to take more time and care to properly design a few sets with each races features in mind. As an example tales are often forgotten about. I am not saying the lock everything, but having more uniquely representative armor is a net positive imo. We can have both, not everything has to be available to everyone, it is only to have some things locked behind certain things.
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