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    xAFROx's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuuZero View Post
    *sigh* if you combine Shoha 1 with Shoha 2 and combine Senei with Guren you gonna lose control on what do you wanna do! Shoha 1 and Senei are for Single Target, Shoha 2 and Guren are for AoE simple as that, Kaiten also made all Weapon Skills hit 50% harder, not just Iaijutsu^^ my Idea for a Change on Kaiten was that they can keep the auto-crits on Midare and Ogi, but that Kaiten makes the next Weapon-skill do Direct Hit, thus rewarding Kenki Management with a Guaranteed Direct Crit.
    And follow WAR even more closely by making an entire stat line pointless for melding? I guess we should have all focused on Determination all along.

    Senei and Guren can be cleaned up by overlapping the button with Shinten and Kyuten just as easily.

    Shoha 1 and 2 don't need to exist at the same time unless meditation gets changed to be more interactive.

    Ogi should have always been something that changes over Ikishoten since that's the specific trigger for it.

    If not that, then maybe they could do some weird overlap onto the iaijutsu button in a similar vein to WARs Infuriate changing fell cleave and decimate, but I think the better change for that would be to apply that sort of interaction to shinten/kyuten
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    Leon Keyh
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    Quote Originally Posted by xAFROx View Post
    And follow WAR even more closely by making an entire stat line pointless for melding? I guess we should have all focused on Determination all along.

    Senei and Guren can be cleaned up by overlapping the button with Shinten and Kyuten just as easily.

    Shoha 1 and 2 don't need to exist at the same time unless meditation gets changed to be more interactive.

    Ogi should have always been something that changes over Ikishoten since that's the specific trigger for it.

    If not that, then maybe they could do some weird overlap onto the iaijutsu button in a similar vein to WARs Infuriate changing fell cleave and decimate, but I think the better change for that would be to apply that sort of interaction to shinten/kyuten
    There are definitely a ton of better things that they could have done and don't listen to Ryuu's ridiculous stance on needing separate AE/single target abilities that do the same thing. Here's what they should have done:



    Have Shoha upgrade to Shoha II with a high potency plus AE fall-off damage

    Combine Shinten and Kyuten into 1 ability with high potency plus AE fall-off damage

    Have Tsubame replace Iaijutsu after using Iaijutsu

    Combine Guren and Senei into a single attack with high potency plus AE fall-off damage

    Combine Gyoten and Yaten into an ability similar to Icarus/Thunderclap that just takes you to a target

    Have Ogi Namakiri replace Ikishoten


    Easy 6-7 abilities cleared off the hotbars with NO change to how the job plays.
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