Please let us queue with our friends in CC

[ShinyChariot]

I would like this to be added to the game purely to see people complaining about pre-made bot teams and elite players griefing and never letting them win. Team ranked will certainly give more control to those sort of people that win trade and do shady things like that. Not to mention RMT and people that buy ranks might also be able use this.

Nothing's a pure and outright solution, it's always a trade-off. You get this nice thing you ask for with good intentions, almost always someone's going to get the short end of the stick. Even if it's casual team matching, someone will always find a way to complain about it. The PvP "Static" drama stories are going to be delicious.

[KhudusQestir]

Playing with friends is fun.

Winning with your friends is better.

Some humans will do disgusting dishonest things to win. That's how deep it is to the human condition, especially in a video game.

It's sort of self-centered to stubbornly insist the focus of the topic not be on winning and tell everyone who mentions it not to talk about it. If you're going to dismiss everyone who enjoys winning in a PvP mode, which is worthless if there isn't any sort of pleasure derived from being skilled and good at the game and therefore victorious, you might be out of touch with a majority of PvPers, instead you should accept their motivations and goals when playing PvP. Because you can't have a discussion about a topic by ignoring everything you don't like and don't want to talk about and telling people they say only the things you want to hear.

Ok, fine. Fair argument. I'll admit I'm wrong there.

I would like this to be added to the game purely to see people complaining about pre-made bot teams and elite players griefing and never letting them win. Team ranked will certainly give more control to those sort of people that win trade and do shady things like that. Not to mention RMT and people that buy ranks might also be able use this.

Nothing's a pure and outright solution, it's always a trade-off. You get this nice thing you ask for with good intentions, almost always someone's going to get the short end of the stick. Even if it's casual team matching, someone will always find a way to complain about it. The PvP "Static" drama stories are going to be delicious.

Ok, so you agree to this notion that all players should be punished simply because of a certain amount of players?
Can I ask you why you think that's fair?
And why not come up with another solution instead?

[ShinyChariot]

Ok, fine. Fair argument. I'll admit I'm wrong there.



Ok, so you agree to this notion that all players should be punished simply because of a certain amount of players?
Can I ask you why you think that's fair?
And why not come up with another solution instead?

It's better than being "punished" by realizing utopian ideas from people who believe "solutions" for these sorts of systematic issues and human behavior never come with repercussions and consequences.

Sometimes, most of the time in fact, there are no solutions, only trade-offs. Sometimes you make the most of what you have right now. It's quite good right now, all things considered that can go horribly wrong. It's not easy to make things better, it's extremely easy to make things worse. The Devs are doing their best to bring what they can to us, we should trust them to put into the game things that are good for it (not necessarily always things we want).

[KhudusQestir]

It's better than being "punished" by realizing utopian ideas from people who believe "solutions" for these sorts of systematic issues and human behavior never come with repercussions and consequences.

Sometimes, most of the time in fact, there are no solutions, only trade-offs. Sometimes you make the most of what you have right now. It's quite good right now, all things considered that can go horribly wrong. It's not easy to make things better, it's extremely easy to make things worse. The Devs are doing their best to bring what they can to us, we should trust them to put into the game things that are good for it (not necessarily always things we want).

Geesh... I'm sorry you feel there is no hope and rather sit in the dirt than try to think of ways to make things better.

It is easier to make things worse but it's rewarding when you work hard to try and find a solution. Sometimes you go down before you find a way up. There are always options. It's just a matter of working together to think of what can and cannot work. If you feel there's no way to start a fire in the snow, you'll always have no fire while sitting in the snow. But if you work hard and try and find a way, you eventually can and it helps if people put their heads together rather than shit on each other.

I'm also not mad at SE, I respect they are trying but I think we as their players should be reaching out to them, telling them what we like and don't like, and providing solutions to help them think about what works and what doesn't work. I'm not yelling at SE, I'm trying to communicate to them and to other fellow players.

there are no solutions, only trade-offs

It's quite good right now, all things considered that can go horribly wrong

I'm really sorry you feel there's no such thing as a solution and too afraid of changes.

Personally, I feel PvP was much better before. I enjoyed it better and I feel it got worse. So now we're on opposite ends when I'm wanting to look for a middle ground.

[slave2midna]

MY friends and I have little gatherings in the Wolve's den, and when we'd get in the same matches - it is the most fun we've had in PvP since launch. We'd get rewards, win some-we'd lose some, we were almost never all on the same team - and Voice chat was spent mostly taunting eachother and laughing.

And I just woke up this morning to the news that they will be taking MORE efforts to prevent friends from queuing together. Not gonna lie, that was a bit upsetting to me. But it's very clear they have no intention of letting us queue with friends.

[Sawamura]

to be fair it was first players complains with be unfair against pre made party at begin of ffxiv pvp. But it is very stupid from SE didnt make a mode with queue with friends, not even casual mode. Has few friends give up with pvp or rank since cant queue with friends not even casual mode. SE should at least add triple/duo mode if they are afraid less people queue just make solo queue with triple/duo lose or win bit more point.