Please let us queue with our friends in CC

[KhudusQestir]

It's very important we have the ability to enjoy PvP so limiting us and forcing us to play with random people isn't something I call exciting... I believe most of us enjoy getting competitive with our friends rather than with random people. I feel it is a cause of us getting so frustrated because we feel we are forced to queue with people we don't like or know.

I don't feel much satisfaction PvPing with someone I don't know, but if I had a friend with me then it is a different story. I'd have someone I can brag with or against considering this is Player vs Player. Especially when we're doing CASUAL when it shouldn't matter about winning or losing, we want to CASUALLY play and enjoy with our friends. It's why we have people timing to queue together cause we want to play with our friends.

This is a Multiplayer game, let us co-op with our friends! We don't even mind being on opposite teams, feel free to randomize that. We just want to play with our friends. It is nice to have more than just frontline to play and queue with my partner as well. Some people join this game to play with their girlfriends or even husband. So to limit that just lowers the PvP population in this game... We might as well play something else if we're with our friends or our spouse I guess...

I have other issues with PvP too but I want SE to be aware that we don't like PvP solo queue


edit: I want to add more to this first post from the discussions I've had to help further a solution to try and get more understanding and possibly happier with the PvP system.

1. Casual allows you to queue solo or with 1 or 4 friends in a party.
-Some people worry that stronger players will team up together and demolish newer players taking away their chance to try out or enjoy PvP. My suggestion is from seeing other games, the ranking system has a certain gap that allows certain rank players to play with one another. Players can derank or rank up on their own terms through the ranking system to help play with certain friends.

2. Seperate two types of ranking systems.
-Solo queue ranking that focuses with only random players so there are no premade teams.
-A premade party queue with up to 1-5 player queue to allow players to gather as many of their friends and if necessary grab as many randoms to fill their spots.


The mention of Custom Match
That's not what is being asked for. That requires 10 total players to get together creating not just one but two full teams. We want to be able to queue with a smaller amount of friends to help enjoy PvP. Maybe even have a mentor queue with us to help learn or hold our hand in the very intimidating PvP matches.

[Xel]

I don't want to queue with my friends for any other reason than the overpowering desire to join forces with those who aren't clearly sniffing glue.

Would it result in more wins? Most likely.
Would it make others feel weak and powerless? Absolutely, ergo it will never happen.

[KhudusQestir]

Would it result in more wins? Most likely.
Would it make others feel weak and powerless? Absolutely, ergo it will never happen.

I don't really agree. If you get to queue with your friends and be at the same time, that should mean the same for the other team that also gives them just as much of an upper hand. I've also queued by doing the countdown with friends, landed on the same team, and still lost. Also, in casual it shouldn't matter who wins or loses, just have fun.

Sure, there may be downfalls to this but at least we can play with our friends and enjoy PvP with them.

[Angellos]

Just change CC to be pre-made teams for ranked, and casual CC is for random teams.


Fixed.

[KhudusQestir]

Just change CC to be pre-made teams for ranked, and casual CC is for random teams.


Fixed.

I think people want it the other way around

For casual;
People don't want to have casual taken seriously so joining with friends makes sense.

For rank;
I've had a few talk where not everyone wants to premake a team in rank and want to solo but some want to be able to make a team for rank. So several(including myself) have mention two different ranks. One for solo queue only and another that allows you join with a team. I think solo should be included to the premade team option to help fill empty spaces. I've had PvP games where we had 5v5, had one random help us fill in a spot and manage to get win while also fairly losing to some. Just a choice whether you want to go with a full team or gamble having a random.


Honestly, I feel these three things would help make everyone happy

[CaptainIndifferent]

Honestly, what I would like to see is either:

1. In Casual and Ranked you can queue however you want between 1-5 players. Teams can be made however the matchmaking puts them together. Just restrict it so that parties will never go against a team of 5 solo players.

Or

2. Split it between Solo, Duos/Trios or Team (full 5) queues. Each option would have a different ladder for Ranked. They can restrict the rewards to your highest rank between the options for all I care, I just want to queue with friends. Some of my friends won't even touch pvp unless they can group and I imagine they aren't alone.

[Charlotte_Wells]

...and if you can't get 4 others you end up against premades on voicechat.

[Ransu]

...and if you can't get 4 others you end up against premades on voicechat.

And? So what? A decent matchmaking will try to ensure premade vs premade, but at the end of the day its an mmo and mmo's need to stop catering to solo players.

[Gserpent]

...and if you can't get 4 others you end up against premades on voicechat.

Dang, maybe you should use your friends list, PF, discords, etc to work together with other players like they did then, huh? This is an MMO, any system that discourages or prevents players from engaging in multiplayer content with their friends should be very carefully examined, and should be adjusted to enable playing with friends if at all possible. Savage raiding has this problem, too, with the coffer system effectively punishing a player's less-skilled or less-dedicated friends for receiving help from more-experienced or more-dedicated friends.

Ranked will never have a large enough playerbase to support separate ranked and solo queues. Considering ranked is specifically for people who want to get sweaty, it should be only for PvP Teams. The matchmaking system will function quite a lot better when it's matching fixed 5-man teams against one another than individuals against other individuals, and you're a LOT more likely to develop relevant data for balance tweaking and design changes from formal 5v5 games than you are from randoms vs randoms.

Solo ranked is frankly wasting time. But it's still better for getting actually fun games than casual is, unfortunately. A possible solution might be adding hidden MMR to casual games - that way teams will have at least some attempts towards balancing them.

[GordonGeeko]

Hard disagree.

Keep in mind that the very good players all know each other and will team up together. That means that if you don't know them, you are stuck queuing with a bunch of randoms. Barely any very skilled player will team up with anybody they don't know on a discord.

That means most random teams will get obliterated by an elite team. They will never win. People will get discouraged and you'll end up with an even smaller player base. Sure, you might think you'll have more fun playing with your friends, but if the only other team in queue at the moment is an elite one, you will lose 100% of the time. Not win some, lose some. No, lose 100% of the time.

There's a reason the good Feast teams had 95% or above win rates.