Akatsuki?

[Molly_Millions]

Sure. I'm labeled a complainer because the mere suggestive cause and effect of this is askew compared to what logically fits the expectations of those who know and love this particular aspect of the FF series.

Well of course I'm complaining. With every right to do so. Since when us there shame in that?

I play petjobs. Many ppl do and are looking forward to ffxiv having legit petjobs.

Just because some ppl are impartial to that, doesnt mean im not going to complain.

Theres truth in what i wrote.

Developers are notorious about ruining petjob mechanics. So if i want to complain about that then i damn well will.

Plenty of ppl getting their damn tanking fun, mage fun, and DD fun and they all complain until its balanced. But i cant complain at SE about not releasing petjob info or potentially ruining an idolized aspect of what many found enjoyable about SMN?

Yet if someone bitches about tanks or mages or dd or Ninja they usually get balance and few of the community bat an eyelash because they agree.

Even if im a minority im going to be a damn loud one until light is shed on this matter.

If you dont like it then blacklist me. I wont lose sleep over it.

You're complaining about something we don't know anything about. Primal summons won't be the same as summons from the summoner class, that doesn't mean the summoner class is ruined.

[Akujin]

My only thought in all of that though, the pet job thing... do you realy feel that Primals can be justified in becoming a leashed pet? Doesnt that annoy you, to think that you're diminishing this grand God like creature into a little pokemon sort of sidekick? If you truly love the grandeur and power of the Primals, in whatever game or fashion they come from (XI excluded in this obviously) then you shouldn't want them to bring the Primals down in such a way.

Instead, encourage them to find a way to make calling on the Elementals themselves (which, you know if you read any of the gridania stuff, or white mage quests...the elementals are Not weak, they destroyed an entire age. I mean, come on really. They literally changed an entire AGE. My burst sucks compared to that. lol) but anyways, encourage SE to make the Elementals themselves more meaningful and badass, think GW2..I think its GW2, where the Elemental spirit gradually becomes bigger and thus more powerful as its level increases, until its finally this massive beast of power.

And allow them to keep the Gods themselves something big and epic and worthy of their name.

[Rydin]

In this interview
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/2011/10...-is-out-there/

Actually it was kind of all put into one thing on that document but there are three different ways to think about this. There’s a buddy system for a companion and then you have a pet system and then the summons. The beast pet would be kind of like in FFXI, where you tame it, use it and then it’s done. So there is no growth with the pet. With Summoner, what we’re thinking of is maybe when you summon for example like Carbuncle… that’s not saying that Carbuncle is coming. It’s just an example! But when you summon it at maybe level 20 there will be certain abilities that it can use and then when the Summoner is level 50, that list will be extended with level 50 abilities. Carbuncle won’t change, it will just be the abilities that it can use. Then you get the buddy system which will be with your Chocobo and your Chocobo will be yours forever. It will have a level and it will power up and grow as you feed it and use it. So yeah there are those three systems. So the confusion there where pets can level up, that’s currently not the case. They’re just a one time thing. It’s Chocobos that will have the levels.

YoshiP says there will be a taming like a beastmaster, buddy system with chocobos fighting along side, Summoner's and then the Free company Primal summons

So like Ifrit would be a free company summon but something like Carbuncle would be from the Summoner class/job

Also this from http://forum.finalfantasy14.eu/viewt...hp?f=20&t=1993

You will be able to summon them after 2.0 but with this ff14 we are considering these traditional primals such as ifrit and leviathan like a god. So I want to separate the traditional summoning system from these new primals. You will be able to summon 1 primal per 1 world, such as 1 ifrit for 1 world. So there will be ifrit, garuda, and so on but only 1 each. So with this new system Im planning to implement, the free companies who have defeated the primal have the ability to summon them. In the previous series, someone could summon Ifrit as well as other people could summon Ifrit. So there would be serval ifrits in one world but I don’t want it to be like that, so people will have to fight each other to have the ability to summon ifrit.

If summons are not considered primals, they will be more common and more people will be able to summon them. We will add the summoner class which can summon carbuncle but theyre different from primals. So primals can only be summons by free companies.

Thats what Molly is saying... they're going to be separate entities...
Free company summons doesn't mean there wont be a summoner class/job

[Myrrdraal]

Sure. I'm labeled a complainer because the mere..

tl;dr

You do realize you're complaining to what amounts to scribbling on some whiteboard in a japanese meeting room, right? There really isnt much content designed yet. I played a maxed out smn in FFXI so I know how bad their pet jobs were implemented on a intimate level. It's still possible to have primal summons and summoners at the same time. As in FFXI, you didn't summon the prime, you summoned its avatar. Save your whining for when they actually have information regarding the job, otherwise you just look kind of sad.

[AreeyaJaidee]

@ Akujin

Yes FFXI was the only FF MMO to allow you to summon avatars.

- every other FF SMN was a pty member that could call those Summons: sometimes it was a charge up, sometimes it was a one time per battle cast, sometimes it was a multiple cast per battle. This is a MMO just like XI was and ppl loved SMN in
XI. Ppl who had problems with SMN just wanted to see it balanced MP wise so they could partake in pty play more.

Yes avatars were mini versions. My point is when is SE going to tell us thus? They dropped a bomb on SMN lovers with this FC primal restriction BS but they don't have reassurance for ppl who are expecting SMN? That's the issue.

SMN "might" channel Primals to trigger their abilities?

... You mean the Primal that can only be called once per timer IF and HOW the FC ldr deems?... Really? How about the FC decides what abilities every party member can use and when? So SMN would get used every once in awhile for the small duration while the Primal is out? Doesn't this meam the FC ldr is the SMN and the SMN isnt the SMN?...

I guess everyones cool with logic being thrown out the window.

[AreeyaJaidee]

You do realize you're complaining to what amounts to scribbling on some whiteboard in a japanese meeting room, right? There really isnt much content designed yet. I played a maxed out smn in FFXI so I know how bad their pet jobs were implemented on a intimate level. It's still possible to have primal summons and summoners at the same time. As in FFXI, you didn't summon the prime, you summoned its avatar. Save your whining for when they actually have information regarding the job, otherwise you just look kind of sad.

I played SMN in what little End Game existed as well. I know how SMN lore worked so dont patronize me.

It doesnt matter if i look sad or not. Idc what a bunch of strangers across unknown distances wrongfully think of me because they're inaccurate judgements based of of zero evidence.


Im fairly aware SMN isn't fleshed out. That's my point: Ppl are waiting to know. Not just me, ppl who play pet jobs.

And no one here can comment on the progress of unknown content: because its unknown.

Your conclusions of me "whining" no reason are therefore also in vain and pure speculation based off of unknown factors.

Hypocrisy much?

Nahh im not sad looking.

[Akujin]

Honestly, you can make your own arguments justified in your own eyes and logic any way you want. That's the beauty having the right to your own opinion. I'll have to agree with Molly and others when they say.. take a step back, breath, put the lynch rope down and atleast Wait until they make some true offical announcements about what direction they intend to take with things. We know the direction they want to take with the Big Primals, but they haven't really said anything about the.. oh lets see.. well far too many for me to go down the list and count out, but here's a link to a ff wiki, have a look.. I'm sure they could probably incorporate a fair share of similiar creatures to be a pokemon sidekick and still allow the big brothers to have their own stage to play on too.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Summons

[Rydin]

So yea.. the 2 quotes I posted (post #63) are from direct Yoshi-p interviews on officially recognized fan sites...
The details of summons are still speculative... But the general ideology of it is pretty clear....
I don't know why we would argue over it... He says outright that summoners as a class and free company summons will both exist... Free companies will summon primals which are like Gods and summoners will summon the classic final fantasy Aeons that are not considered primal gods

[Akujin]

So yea.. the 2 quotes I posted (post #63) are from direct Yoshi-p interviews on officially recognized fan sites...
The details of summons are still speculative... But the general ideology of it is pretty clear....
I don't know why we would argue over it... He says outright that summoners as a class and free company summons will both exist... Free companies will summon primals which are like Gods and summoners will summon the classic final fantasy Aeons that are not considered primal gods

I suppose what has some people worked up and worried is what does Yoshida consider to be Primal and what does he consider to be Not. I mean, Carbuncle is an easy guess, little glowy skunk..yeah. But the iconic summons, such as shiva, leviathan, titan, alexander..those are the one's that I would consider to all be Primals of their own right.

I'm not sure which of the other creatures I'd consider to be lesser, I'm sure in that list a few could be picked out. I mean, they did basically make Moogles into a Primal battle. They could essentially take mobs we have right now and turn them into a summon. Bomb, Drakes, etc.

[AreeyaJaidee]

So yea.. the 2 quotes I posted (post #63) are from direct Yoshi-p interviews on officially recognized fan sites...
The details of summons are still speculative... But the general ideology of it is pretty clear....
I don't know why we would argue over it... He says outright that summoners as a class and free company summons will both exist... Free companies will summon primals which are like Gods and summoners will summon the classic final fantasy Aeons that are not considered primal gods

Well it is cool if SMN still gets to summon. Just sucks that Ifrit is off-limits as well as Garuda and Titan.

I remember those Primals as "classic" cause they were your basic summons in most every FF.

And im not lynching ppl like a crazed mad person. I just want SE to know without doubt that some of us have been waiting for petjob info for a long time and to be considerate enough to tell us more of their plans.

Its not some top secret russian espionage mission. They could atleast consider the petjob ppl more, just like they're always catering to other aspects of battle n classes.