Dark Knight Megathread

[The_User]

You don't have to like it but isn't just sugar coating. The concept here is that it give player the decision making for a possibly better outcome which other mitigation didn't offer.

If I got hit by a healing down debuff then I could choose barrier of Dark Mind. If my party member drop a healing boost buff then I can choose a heal of Dark Mind to gain a better benefit if I deemed it would. If I feel like barrier isn't gonna be effective than I can choose to get a healing instead and it may require timing to hit this ability later than it would than when I want a barrier from it. It involve player's decision and wait for the right timing or planing before hand to get the outcome that they aiming for.


So you get to decide that DRK can grant people a temporary extra HP bar aka shield made of love namely The Blackest Night but a direct heal is too cute? To this day I'm still wonder whether that increase max hp and restore the amount that increased and create a barrier yadda yadda is just a word play when they behave almost the same?









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Then you should realize that I was already been like that before and it didn't mean you're being specifically picked on.

Especially when you confirmed that you have already saw that I was like that several pages before.

[Archwizard]

If I got hit by a healing down debuff then I could choose barrier of Dark Mind.

No, actually, there's still no "choice" there. You've suggested a barrier with a cure potency, which would still be affected by a Healing Down debuff. That's exactly why most barriers are phrased "equal to a heal of X00 potency" -- they're affected by the same healing buffs and debuffs. It's why we have two Barrier healers who provide Healing Up effects; Adloquium and Eukrasian Diagnosis aren't unaffected by them.
Like I said, there's literally no difference between a barrier and a heal in that case, except that barriers can't overheal. That's it. Outside of downtime, there is also no realistic situation where you would "choose" healing over an equal barrier, provided the barrier will be consumed before it runs out.

Now, if it was a barrier based on a percentage of HP, that's a different matter -- that would ignore a healing down effect -- but you don't get benefits like a critical barrier since it's a fixed amount of HP.
And in DRK's case, it's redundant.

Not to mention that when you're taking damage, the only part of it that affects "choice" is how early you choose to use it -- DRK is the tank with the least control over the resource of HP, because it has the most limited healing.
You take what you get, because once your HP gets low enough, your access to that barrier you're praising is exclusively in the hands of your healers.

So you get to decide that DRK can grant people a temporary extra HP bar aka shield made of love namely The Blackest Night but a direct heal is too cute?

"Get to"? No.
But, I can point to historical precedent, like the fact that Dark Knight as a job rarely takes a supportive role or uses ally-healing magicks. It uses unholy magic meant to gain power through suffering.

Now in 14, it has to have some kind of off-tanking potential just to fit the role, and as the designated "magic tank", it doing so by weaving a barrier of runes around an ally is a compromise between practical concerns and job fantasy. (Your mileage may vary on the exact manner in which it does so fitting said fantasy, but for now, it does the job.)

Once you get into things like direct healing though? That's a Paladin with the serial numbers filed off.

Then you should realize that I was already been like that before and it didn't mean you're being specifically picked on.

Oh, to be clear, I never assumed I was being specifically picked on. I was telling you for your benefit: if you continue being hostile to everyone, you're likely to get reported or blocked, either of which undermines any point you may make. Because then nobody's listening to what you have to say.

And with that warning served, I'm done telling you about you.