There has not been a single major patch without a critical issue since Endwalker.

[Adamantini]

I've never been so bored in an MMORPG patch as 6.1.

"Oh, but you don't want the game to force you to play... blah blah blah"

Yes, I don't want the game to force me to play, I don't want to have to farm something endlessly. But damn it, is it hard to have interesting content? Something that is not necessary, but that I can distract myself? Or is that asking too much of Square Memex?

[Jeeqbit]

Yes, I don't want the game to force me to play, I don't want to have to farm something endlessly. But damn it, is it hard to have interesting content? Something that is not necessary, but that I can distract myself? Or is that asking too much of Square Memex?

I haven't had this problem. We had Crystalline Conflict to farm a whole series for, a Beast Tribe, lots of side stories, an extreme to farm and a fun alliance raid to do each week that was praised by the internet in all areas. If these things are not fun there is almost 10 years worth of content to do instead.

[Ryaz]

I haven't had this problem. We had Crystalline Conflict to farm a whole series for, a Beast Tribe, lots of side stories, an extreme to farm and a fun alliance raid to do each week that was praised by the internet in all areas. If these things are not fun there is almost 10 years worth of content to do instead.

Some people only want to do one thing. All the other stuff means nothing to them, so it doesn't count as content for them. This is what is leading to WoW's failure. They listened to one small part of the player base- the top end raiders, and focused their game design 100% around raids and mythic dungeons and getting more player power. This led to a huge lack of other content for other types of players that didn't care about gear and wanted other ways to have fun in the world.

I personally would prefer to have a wide plethora of different content, even if someone if it is stuff I personally wouldn't ever do, than have the game hyperfocused on one thing. It's better for the overall health of the game.

[Kaurhz]

Some people only want to do one thing. All the other stuff means nothing to them, so it doesn't count as content for them. This is what is leading to WoW's failure. They listened to one small part of the player base- the top end raiders, and focused their game design 100% around raids and mythic dungeons and getting more player power. This led to a huge lack of other content for other types of players that didn't care about gear and wanted other ways to have fun in the world.

Not that I disagree (or agree with the other poster for that matter), but over the course of time they have removed some nuances from the game that had potentially low development overhead, yet acted as a great incentivization factor for people to do content more than they otherwise would. To take raids for example, to my knowledge we currently have no equivalent of ADS Plating, Burning Auracite, Faust Plating, and Large Gordian Gear, all of which not only were used as crafting materials but equally act as an incentive for people to do the raids under sync'd conditions - and to top it off were not guaranteed drops. Heck, I still see parties for T1 occasionally to farm the Plating.

[Adamantini]

I haven't had this problem. We had Crystalline Conflict to farm a whole series for, a Beast Tribe, lots of side stories, an extreme to farm and a fun alliance raid to do each week that was praised by the internet in all areas. If these things are not fun there is almost 10 years worth of content to do instead.

Crystalline Conflict was cool, I did so much that I got sick of it, mainly due to bugs and imbalances.

Beast tribe? 3 minutes of quests per day, and that's it

Side history: like, 2h of gameplay and it's over too

extreme: do it, get your weapon and that's it. Or repeat this 99x to get a mount.

alliance raid: Do it 1x a day to get the coin, and that's it too.

[Akiudo]

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crystalline conflict was new (and not just "a new pvp mode" but pretty much a total pvp rework), we (assuming they get it fixed in due time) now have data center travel which while not gameplay is huge from a community perspective, for the 6.2x series we have criterion dungeons and island sanctuaries in the making.

if its not endless grinds you are after and things like dungeons or an ex trial don't count because "you do them once or twice and than they are the same as everything else" than only count those things i mentioned in the first paragraph and be honest here, how many NEW things do you think square should be able to design and get up and running in the span of a few months while being required to offer at least some more of the basic "old systems" simply do to the nature of being an mmo?

[Adamantini]

crystalline conflict was new (and not just "a new pvp mode" but pretty much a total pvp rework), we (assuming they get it fixed in due time) now have data center travel which while not gameplay is huge from a community perspective, for the 6.2x series we have criterion dungeons and island sanctuaries in the making.

if its not endless grinds you are after and things like dungeons or an ex trial don't count because "you do them once or twice and than they are the same as everything else" than only count those things i mentioned in the first paragraph and be honest here, how many NEW things do you think square should be able to design and get up and running in the span of a few months while being required to offer at least some more of the basic "old systems" simply do to the nature of being an mmo?

I think you misunderstood me here: I said I liked CC, but I got sick of doing it so much / the imbalances helped with that.

A new, persistent and distracting content until the new """"big"""" patch is enough. Some examples?

WoW had pet combat. Stupidly casual content, where I was distracted for months.

Something involving FFXIV?

Throw some shit for the bluemage to do alone. A deep dungeon, revives this class they made with some content which gives reason for this class to exist. Here's a huge tip. I'm the retard who went to make carnival titles, like "perfect blue".

Moogle Troove. Since we don't have anything better to do, it gives me an event where I can farm some things in the game.

Make achievements more interesting to farm. I collect any kind of crap in games, unless it asks me to do 10,000x the same thing.

Ishgard restoration was excellent, it entertained me for a whole year. More content like this would be great

[Vahlnir]

WoW had pet combat. Stupidly casual content, where I was distracted for months.

I spent the better part of MoP launch and the first major patch mainly pet battling, and that is no exaggeration. I loved how it worked through MoP.

I don't think it's hate, else you guys won't be here on forum. More like "Beater", that's how you think people working on the game to you right? Let's keep beating them to moveee.... faster.. faster, not fast enough!

It's less slave driving and more "we pay for a product and we want our money's worth" which I don't think is unreasonable. We also know that they can do better.

[Adamantini]

I spent the better part of MoP launch and the first major patch mainly pet battling, and that is no exaggeration. I loved how it worked through MoP.

that's what i'm talking about.

If you say the patch is boring, the kids of SE start saying they don't want the game to force them to play.

A simple casual and distracting system isn't much to ask for, and you won't be forced to play

[Dionysius]

It's less slave driving and more "we pay for a product and we want our money's worth" which I don't think is unreasonable. We also know that they can do better.

How much for Endwalker when it's first launch? $35? $40? If you think EW not worth that amount, then we have to disagree. I think it's worth $60.