There has not been a single major patch without a critical issue since Endwalker.

[Akiudo]

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crystalline conflict was new (and not just "a new pvp mode" but pretty much a total pvp rework), we (assuming they get it fixed in due time) now have data center travel which while not gameplay is huge from a community perspective, for the 6.2x series we have criterion dungeons and island sanctuaries in the making.

if its not endless grinds you are after and things like dungeons or an ex trial don't count because "you do them once or twice and than they are the same as everything else" than only count those things i mentioned in the first paragraph and be honest here, how many NEW things do you think square should be able to design and get up and running in the span of a few months while being required to offer at least some more of the basic "old systems" simply do to the nature of being an mmo?

[Adamantini]

crystalline conflict was new (and not just "a new pvp mode" but pretty much a total pvp rework), we (assuming they get it fixed in due time) now have data center travel which while not gameplay is huge from a community perspective, for the 6.2x series we have criterion dungeons and island sanctuaries in the making.

if its not endless grinds you are after and things like dungeons or an ex trial don't count because "you do them once or twice and than they are the same as everything else" than only count those things i mentioned in the first paragraph and be honest here, how many NEW things do you think square should be able to design and get up and running in the span of a few months while being required to offer at least some more of the basic "old systems" simply do to the nature of being an mmo?

I think you misunderstood me here: I said I liked CC, but I got sick of doing it so much / the imbalances helped with that.

A new, persistent and distracting content until the new """"big"""" patch is enough. Some examples?

WoW had pet combat. Stupidly casual content, where I was distracted for months.

Something involving FFXIV?

Throw some shit for the bluemage to do alone. A deep dungeon, revives this class they made with some content which gives reason for this class to exist. Here's a huge tip. I'm the retard who went to make carnival titles, like "perfect blue".

Moogle Troove. Since we don't have anything better to do, it gives me an event where I can farm some things in the game.

Make achievements more interesting to farm. I collect any kind of crap in games, unless it asks me to do 10,000x the same thing.

Ishgard restoration was excellent, it entertained me for a whole year. More content like this would be great

[Vahlnir]

WoW had pet combat. Stupidly casual content, where I was distracted for months.

I spent the better part of MoP launch and the first major patch mainly pet battling, and that is no exaggeration. I loved how it worked through MoP.

I don't think it's hate, else you guys won't be here on forum. More like "Beater", that's how you think people working on the game to you right? Let's keep beating them to moveee.... faster.. faster, not fast enough!

It's less slave driving and more "we pay for a product and we want our money's worth" which I don't think is unreasonable. We also know that they can do better.

[Adamantini]

I spent the better part of MoP launch and the first major patch mainly pet battling, and that is no exaggeration. I loved how it worked through MoP.

that's what i'm talking about.

If you say the patch is boring, the kids of SE start saying they don't want the game to force them to play.

A simple casual and distracting system isn't much to ask for, and you won't be forced to play

[Dionysius]

It's less slave driving and more "we pay for a product and we want our money's worth" which I don't think is unreasonable. We also know that they can do better.

How much for Endwalker when it's first launch? $35? $40? If you think EW not worth that amount, then we have to disagree. I think it's worth $60.

[Vahlnir]

How much for Endwalker when it's first launch? $35? $40? If you think EW not worth that amount, then we have to disagree. I think it's worth $60.

We pay a monthly sub for content every few months or so. Our money doesn't start or stop with expansion purchases. Was EW worth $40? Absolutely. I enjoyed most everything I got at EW launch, warts and all. But that isn't what I'm talking about and surely you know that.

[Kes13a]

It's less slave driving and more "we pay for a product and we want our money's worth" which I don't think is unreasonable. We also know that they can do better.

you pay what, $15 a month? 0.50 cents a day, and you dont think you get your money's worth?

tough crowd...

[Moonlite]

you pay what, $15 a month? 0.50 cents a day, and you dont think you get your money's worth?

tough crowd...

Plus inventory plus expansions plus cash shop. You don't pay just X amount for the "COMPLETE" game. You pay X amount for access to some of the game. Not compare that to FFXV which I think you can get the complete game for 50ish.

[Akiudo]

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okay but CC is "one big thing" , yea you got sick of it, that is fair and it surely isn't perfect, but that alone clearly took some development time and sad as it is, you can't allways make everyone happy. the 6.2x series will have criterion dungeons and island sanctuary, if nothing else lets hope that those live up to expectations.

where i'm 100% with you is on making achievements more interesting, more in between steps for the grindy ones (having grindy ones isn't bad, just shouldn't be all of them) and more gimicky and fun ones in other places instead of "kill 1000 s-ranks" would be great.

[Adamantini]

okay but CC is "one big thing" , yea you got sick of it, that is fair and it surely isn't perfect, but that alone clearly took some development time and sad as it is, you can't allways make everyone happy. the 6.2x series will have criterion dungeons and island sanctuary, if nothing else lets hope that those live up to expectations.

If they improve CC it will be perfect. Finally some interesting PvP content in this game.

I'm looking forward to 6.25 (since apparently most things won't came for 6.2), but until then, it would be great to have at least 1 piece of content that everyone can enjoy doing.